After 1 (arguably 2) expansions what is square trying to achieve with WAR (and PLD)?

[rawker]

Don't see why we need to delete a button if for the niche it is for it's good and actually usable. Even if we don't give any refund effects, there is minimal reason to delete it when most of PLD's healing is only available at Lv84+.

If the argument is button bloat, we got other memes to look at like current iteration of Cover and Shield Bash. The latter is so utterly bad right now that various Paladin players just don't even put it on the hotbar outside of niche Deep Dungeon situations.

So yeah - Clemency can and should stay. I'd hate to make PLD any more same like the other tanks.

Shield Bash and Cover are still redeemable via Traits. I made a quick list of what I would like to see changed on PLD and have included those 2 you have mentioned.

- Fight or Flight is upgraded to Spirit's Within then is upgraded to Expiacion.
- Revert Goring Blade to be a DoT applying combo action from Riot Blade. Combo'ed Goring Blade also gives Divine Might and Sword Oath.
- Rework Circle of Scorn to be a combo action from Total Eclipse that does damage and applies a DoT. Combo'ed Circle of Scorn also gives Divine Might.
- bring back Shield Swipe as magic attacks are now blockable. Allow it to hold up to 3 charges via trait. Blocking an attack lowers the cooldown of Shield Swipe.
- Cover to get a trait where if the PLD receives a total of 50% of its max HP from redirected damage, the PLD gets healed for 1000 potency. Will only proc once per usage of Cover. Cover can also block redirected damage.
- remove damage from Intervene and add 25 oath gauge cost. Lower its cooldown to 5 seconds
- add a trait to Shield Bash where it will get its potency increased after using Intervene and removes the stun effect. Can combo into Riot Blade. Combo'ed Riot Blade from Shield Bash will also give 15 Oath Gauge, in addition to 1000MP.

How about changing the heal potency based on amount of targets hit? 1st target is 400p heal, every subsequent is 100? Would keep single target heals strong, keep AOE heals relevant and avoid the ambiguity with Primal Rend.

This is also good.