After 1 (arguably 2) expansions what is square trying to achieve with WAR (and PLD)?

[Gember]

If I recall correctly; I think Endwalker had overtuned jobs across the board due to complaints. I remember RPR was a very dominating job at the start of the expansion, and then everyone complained that other jobs couldn't keep up with it. So, instead of nerfing the new shiny job; they buffed every other job on the list. I could say the same happened with healers compared to SGE as well, but not a lot of people spoke up about that... Like there was complaints, but it wasn't as loud as the DPS.

When P8S was overtuned; they did yet another round of buffs for certain jobs, and that included WAR and PLD.

This is my own take on the matter, but I felt the stat squish at the get go of the expansion kind of screwed with the overall balance of the entire game's content by some degree. Like even syncing down to older content in roulettes; people are just rolling through it extremely easy compared to how it felt in Shadowbringers. It could be gear creep, but gear creep + upscaling jobs due to complaints can really make small utilities in DPS and Tanks outmatch a healer's kit in some situations. The Omega Protocol was beaten without healers during the patch it was released on. I commend the group who accomplished that because that does take a lot of skill, but it shouldn't been possible at the given timeframe it happened.

I really feel at the end of the day that it is a factor of stat squish imbalances + overtuning jobs + gear, and that is why we have jobs that are too overpowered for their role right now. I hope it does get re-tuned properly for Dawntrail.

[Supersnow845]

^the healers weren’t buffed to equal SGE SGE was buffed because it couldn’t keep up with SCH in TOP

WHM only got a fix to its lilys 2 expansiobs overdue and AST got nothing in terms of potency

[GoatOfWar]

im so sick of getting warriors in groups now whenever I play healer, i'd rather leave. If square wants tanks to be solo classes, they need to give healers other things to do.
pressing 2 button for a whole dungeon isn't fun, and never will be.

Maybe people would still play the other tanks if War wasn't a direct upgrade.

[Oizen]

To be honest I still play Dark Knight regardless of the fact, there are some incredibly narrow things its does better that keep it engaging for me.
DRK has a criminally underrated mitigation gameplan, and having TBN,Oblation and Dark Mind on lower cooldowns is often disregarded as an advantage the job holds. Maybe also a hot take but I also think DRK has a far more engaging AOE rotation for dungeons than basically any other tank thanks to alternating circle and line aoes with weird tools with salted and Living Shadow.

To be the WAR sustain issue is starting to become part of a bigger problem than just one job being broken, I think tank sustain as a whole is powercreeping in a fairly unhealthy direction and I would rather not see DRK and GNB get their own equivalents to BW. I'm definately on team nerf tank sustain over nerfing WAR specifically, even PLD is starting to get pretty crazy in terms of it.

[Amvin]

Question, and I’m not saying this rudely I’m just genuinely trying to understand

What’s the point of playing an MMO if your goal is to play a class where you can functionally ignore the other people in your party

Like WAR does everything for you and I can kinda see how that’s fun, but what’s the allure of doing that specifically in an MMO

You can go turn Clive into a walking tactical nuke and functionally achieve the same thing

So for me, playing WAR is not my goal; my main job is DRG. WAR is just really fun for me when I do queue up for roulettes as a tank (which doesn't happen very often, but at least I do it occasionally now - before trying it on WAR I never did!), while I just don't enjoy the other tank jobs. I like the aesthetic, the sounds and just how the job plays. That is one part. The other part is that I don't want to die to a lack of healing from the actual healer in dungeons. As casual as I am, I still have my limits too.

That being said, for all I care they could nerf WAR dps to the ground and I'd still prefer it over the other tanks for above mentioned reasons.