I'm bored when I heal because I need more complex DPS rotations

[Supersnow845]

The spirit of the post is true regardless

Shield healers aren’t there to baby you with succor and adlo when you miss mechanics, I’ll heal you if I have spare oGCD’s but I’m not an adlo bot so you can go chasing AOE’s

If you miss a mechanic get a vuln stack and then a raidwide comes out you should pretty much expect to die, that’s exactly the type of healing square has cultivated by making healing such a joke that most people genuinely ignore it

This is made worse by the fact that there is no punishment for the “medica 2 is the answer to every question” playstyle, if you have a vuln stack and a raidwide is coming and my co healer is at 15* my HPS (not uncommon) I’m just gonna assume they will heal you if not they are probably foaming at the mouth for the chance to hard raise you do either way it’s not really my problem

This is exactly the type of apathy you should expect from the way healers are designed

[Aravell]

Shield healers aren’t there to baby you with succor and adlo when you miss mechanics, I’ll heal you if I have spare oGCD’s but I’m not an adlo bot so you can go chasing AOE’s

If you miss a mechanic get a vuln stack and then a raidwide comes out you should pretty much expect to die, that’s exactly the type of healing square has cultivated by making healing such a joke that most people genuinely ignore it

There is actually another side to this argument. In casual content, there is a chance that DF will set the party with 2 WHMs. If someone gets a vuln before a big raidwide and neither WHM have Temperance available, who is the one to blame in that scenario?

I think it's good to always have some self-accountability. It's usually better to not pin the blame on others when there were things you could've done to not die.

[Supersnow845]

There is actually another side to this argument. In casual content, there is a chance that DF will set the party with 2 WHMs. If someone gets a vuln before a big raidwide and neither WHM have Temperance available, who is the one to blame in that scenario?

I think it's good to always have some self-accountability. It's usually better to not pin the blame on others when there were things you could've done to not die.

The alliance queue really needs a modern shakeup, the queues should backfill so you aren’t getting 5 withdraws in a row with 23/24 saying yes then starting again (especially on the rarer raids where it’s really common that if someone withdraws the roulette will then change tact and dump off the players into something else making you wait even longer)

They should also attempt to evenly divide the players they do have, like if you go in and have 2 SCH, 2 AST and 2 WHM you shouldn’t end up in a situation where all three end up in a party with the other one of themselves, the same could be said for one party having 5 melees and the other having 5 dancers

[ForsakenRoe]

You may not have notice this but, the vul % changes based on boss's ability : the ability which i died on had 13% not 25% ( I had 1 stack).
Now you know.

Yes, and the four hits that came before that killing blow, were at +25%, making it harder to keep your HP at a stable 'you will live through this' level. Now you know /s

Being snarky aside, this might be the first time I've seen someone with a raiding resume as illustrious as Sebazy's get told 'you don't know how to read logs, here's a lesson', quite unexpected

Point of Sebazy's post, even if it is a bit blunt in how it's worded, is there: you said you took no healing in the leadup to the final hit, you got like 150% your healthbar in healing. Just, it turns out you needed 155% of your healthbar or so, to survive, thanks to the +25% fun sticker you picked up from somewhere. But you went straight for 'the healers didn't heal', and I'd have thought that as a healer main yourself you'd know better


In unrelated news, I had a Brandihild moment of inspiration earlier re: destroying the pure/barrier split

[Zeastria]

First time i seen more mature replay here, i appreciate it.

I don't like fflogs beeing posted on forums -
Because you can actually see the names of the other players.
- which felt was both unnecessary and disrespectful..

When i wrote my first reply.. i didn't have those players in mind at all...
The one who was bringing them up - was Sebazy after digging them up from fflogs :P
(That one was more recent, which is why i mention it)

Anyway
i just notice a trend with ffxiv healers in PF..
That's all.

[Rehayem]

First time i seen more mature replay here, i appreciate it.

I don't like fflogs beeing posted on forums -
Because you can actually see the names of the other players.
- which felt was both unnecessary and disrespectful..

When i wrote my first reply.. i didn't have those players in mind at all...
The one who was bringing them up - was Sebazy after digging them up from fflogs :P
(That one was more recent, which is why i mention it)

Anyway
i just notice a trend with ffxiv healers in PF..
That's all.

Your character name is literally visible on forums, regardless of fflogs.

[Zeastria]

Your character name is literally visible on forums, regardless of fflogs.

and? It dosnt matter to me if ppl know my character name..

[Sebazy]

I dont think it's allowed to link logs and "badtalk" players on forums.
(player names can be seen on the logs)


You may not have notice this but, the vul % changes based on boss's ability : the ability which i died on had 13% not 25% ( I had 1 stack).
Now you know.

It's not bad talk, it's clarification on a common sentiment which I believe is demonstrably incorrect, thus here we are.

I'm not calling you (or anyone else for that matter) out for being bad or such, I'm simply highlighting what's what and the reality behind what I suspect drives a very significant percentage of these kind of accusations against healers. So many people jump to instantly saying 'You never healed me!' as a defence mechanism rather than looking back and analysing what actually happened and seeing if there is a way to prevent it in the future which is not only a great way to improve as a player, but it's a wildly valuable life skill as well. Blame shouldn't be a central part of this, if there's a way to resolve an potential issue, why not make that adjustment?

It could absolutely be argued that those healers could have done more to save you, just as you could have done more to save yourself. But it's a 24 man, if you're not try harding yourself, it's not really fair to expect others to go above and beyond either. That's fair right?

And ya, Bole (10/10 appropriate name for the topic btw ) has the raid mitigation side covered, so no need for me to expand on that.

So yeah in closing, it's less of a trend of healers not healing and more a trend of people being quick to jump the gun and blame the healer even if it wasn't actually the healer's fault as demonstrated by your example. I've seen it in literal world prog back in FCOB, I've seen it in DF but in an even more comical situation.. We've all been there.

The alliance queue really needs a modern shakeup, the queues should backfill so you aren’t getting 5 withdraws in a row with 23/24 saying yes then starting again (especially on the rarer raids where it’s really common that if someone withdraws the roulette will then change tact and dump off the players into something else making you wait even longer)

Absolutely. Even on a busy server at decent hours, getting dumped out of the queue occasionally causes pretty big delays, it sucks if it happens repeatedly.

[WaxSw]

First time i seen more mature replay here, i appreciate it.

I don't like fflogs beeing posted on forums -
Because you can actually see the names of the other players.
- which felt was both unnecessary and disrespectful..

When i wrote my first reply.. i didn't have those players in mind at all...
The one who was bringing them up - was Sebazy after digging them up from fflogs :P
(That one was more recent, which is why i mention it)

Anyway
i just notice a trend with ffxiv healers in PF..
That's all.

I think Sebazy's answer was quite mature.

You made a false claim and they brought proof of that claim being wrong and told you what really happened.

If anything they are being more respectful than you with other players, considering he's defending that they did their job properly, and, unless you purposely click on the cross of your name in the menu of fflogs, you will hardly see any data outside from yours in that log.

I think people should be more critical with themselves. Firstly because a lot of players can't differentiate not healing from efficient healing and secondly because this mentality of "I died therefore is healer's fault" is one of the reasons behind abyssos's green river in pf, where a lot of healers were getting the blame from dps who used mits who knows where and thought of the self heals as funny buttons to not press.

[Mithron]

I dont think it's allowed to link logs and "badtalk" players on forums.
(player names can be seen on the logs)

Wrong guy blaming right guys for his mistakes gets called out by good guys using righteous methods and facts then calls it "bad talk" simply because it completely counters his wrong behaviors and philosophies with no possible rebuttals, meaning he's the one who must change.

Living up to your ethos, I can see.

Back on the other topic, if doing DPS as healers was more fun, I think there would be much less need for healers wanting more to heal. In fact, I wonder if replacing some OGCD heals and buttons with DPS ones would make healing more difficult and enjoyable by forcing GCD heals more often and having to properly balance between heals and DPS.