All The Doom Threads Are Strange To Me

[Metalface_Villain]

It's a liveservice game with no long term content.
It's an mmo where people don't need to play together.
It's an rpg without rpg elements.
It uses a class based system but makes them all the same.
It provides some challenges but fails to deliver on rewards to incentivise anyone to do them.

XIV is just not a good game.
I honestly could go on for hours.
You can farm mounts but have nowhere to show them off.
You can farm better gear but it's only useful in the content you got it from.
You can get housing items but the housing system is terrible so most players don't even have one.

Nothing in this game matters or makes a difference.

sadly all this is extremely true and sums up some of the biggest problems ff14 has.

[Metalface_Villain]

Okay, we get it, you didn’t like Shadowlands. Let me finish your post: the whole point of FFXIV is to not be WoW, and since WoW is a video game, FFXIV shouldn’t be one. It should have cutscenes and then no content at all so you can unsub and play other games (non-WoW).

Have you considered consulting a human rights lawyer? It seems that Blizzard is falsely imprisoning people because they’re forcing them to play WoW. That seems like a violation of international law. You see, FFXIV opposes slavery, which is why it has no content: that way you’re never forced to play against your will!

this is so funny it has the power to unite both sides of this thread xD

[Grizzlpaw]

The question really is, would you and everyone else on the forums who agree, get tired of repeating your frustrations eventually, unsub, and will you all be enough to hurt SE's bottom line?

Voting with your wallet isn't the only option customers have. And many times it's not even the best option. The reality is that the video game industry has changed. We no longer live in an era where a game's success is measured in units sold. We live in an age of horse armor. Of shiny overpriced mounts. We live in an age of cash shops.

In today's gaming industry, it doesn't matter if you're in the majority. Because unlike in the past where 1 person typically bought 1 copy of a game (1 person. 1 vote). Today a person can continue to pump money into their favorite game of choice by purchasing microtransactions. And each time they do that they are voting with their wallet.

In today's gaming industry, people with bigger wallets have more votes.
The unfortunate result of that is that most game companies take the safe (and profitable) path of releasing the minimum viable product that they need to in order to sell these microtransactions to people with large wallets who will continue to vote loud and clear that this is what they want.

Frankly, I don't know what the solution is, but what I do know is that if you want to get anything done these days, you might want to get other people on board. And it just so happens that the forums are a convenient place where people can share their gripes and ideas with other players, AND share those feelings with the devs at the same time. It's not perfect, but it might carry more weight than silently unsubbing.

[Wasselin]

Very strange to me too, especially considering everyone I talk to in game has pretty much the opposite vibe and opinion of this forum.

But I think it's just natural for people to complain and find fault with everything. The actual quality of the game doesn't matter, people just find various reasons to complain because they are either fundamentally unhappy or, in the case of content creators, it attracts a larger viewership for less effort.

[strawberrycake]

What you and everyone in this community does, is assume that because we are critical that we hate the game or something. You can be fully critical of something and love it. The best way to describe this is having a friend and telling them that their habits are bad and unhealthy, while said habits may not harm them immediately, it still can and will eventually happen. And they're other friends who see no issue with their actions says that you're jealous of them and hate on them for how they're living life.

if you didn't catch it, the people who conflate being critical of something we love with hate are the fake friends who encourage your self-destructive tendencies and have no care about your well being.

I've supported this game since ARR, I've supported SE through their bankruptcy. I have faith that things will get better and will support them through it. Which gamer's have done with plenty of other studios and companies. As much as I hate the suits that control SE, and as much as Yoshida has a habit of putting his foot in his mouth, I know this game can be better because it has been better.

If this is a hard concept, then maybe it's being purposely ignorant of how these things work.

[Sebazy]

Alright, full disclosure: I play alot of games. Side benefit of being a tour guide is really nice hours, leaving plenty of time to play. So before anyone tells me 'I haven't seen what's out there' or 'I don't have enough experience to know what I'm talking about' or whatever else they can come up with that doesn't actually address the substance of my post, know that I am preemptively rolling my eyes and dismissing your reply as lacking in any return substance.

I don't mean any disrespect but it takes 1 look at your achievements, minions and such to see that this game is pretty clearly a piece on the side for you. So yes, in light of that, it's really no surprise that you're doing just fine. Endwalker in particular works brilliantly when you play the game at a lazy casual pace and light endgame such as the recent 24 mans just double down on that.

However, before you roll your eyes and stand on your high and mighty pillar of casualdom, remember that this game actually used to have a ceiling. Hardcore FCs such as Solitude, Exordium, Angered/Entropy used to run multiple teams all year round and the high end raid content had enough longevity to support that. Go stalk the biggest hardcore raid FC on your data centre's house.

Spoiler: it'll be an absolute ghost town. Why? Because the recipe is stale and Endwalker did less than nothing to try and address the issues that people like myself have been flagging up for years. Despite what SE's PR department aka Jeeq would have you believe, the trail of sprouts isn't endless. They always eventually dry up regardless of how dominant an MMO may be.

[strawberrycake]

All this.

Current WoW isn't a Grindfest, having a bajillion Reps hasn't been a thing in over a decade. Dailies out the ass went out the window with BFA and Shadowlands. The Grind, you speak of has been dead for quite some time. But threre's nothing wrong with a grind. What you and so many others like to do is make it seem like both a grind and an alternative cannot exist at the same time. These things are not mutually exclusive. Let's take a more popular grind, the Argent Tournament from back in Wrath. People enjoyed the grind due to having worth while rewards, the reason people didn't feel bothered about FoMo back then was due to prestige. Given Yoshida's issue with that concept, as of Stormblood when he did away with it, we move forward into a new type of grind.

Bozja/Zadnor is where we introduce the new none Mutually Exclusive Grind, one where it could have worked, if they didn't allow for players to farm relic items outside Zadnor. The reason why XIV fails at grinds and why they always feel bad here is due to them trying to let the players have their cake and eat it to. They wanna give everything without there ever being anything more meaningful beyond the the relic and some glam.

In WoW grinds became heavy for them because prior to WoW MMOs were DRASTICALLY different, Remmeber, WoW used to be the Casuals MMO compared to it's elders in the genre. Mix that with a bunch of old heads being a bit too idolized by their replacements and we have a adherence to dated ideologies that kept them from catching up with the ever changing aspects of the gaming industry at large and the MMO genre.

Where WoW is now succeeding, is in adapting to the new norms and looking around the room again, which is what they've always done best. Where XIV is failing, is exactly how WoW was failing, being too stuck in their ways and refusing to look at what may be better even if it's new and uncomfortable.

Innovation, Iteration, and Evolution are the blood of MMOs, and if you fall behind on any of it you will start to feel like a slog of an MMO. XIV can easily fix this, but only if they're willing to adapt and change things up.

[CNitsah]

Honestly, I've seen more thread making some criticism derailed by people either saying "yet another doom thread" or exagerating the critic to a point it's ridiculous than actual "doom threads".

[Supersnow845]

Voting with your wallet isn't the only option customers have. And many times it's not even the best option. The reality is that the video game industry has changed. We no longer live in an era where a game's success is measured in units sold. We live in an age of horse armor. Of shiny overpriced mounts. We live in an age of cash shops.

In today's gaming industry, it doesn't matter if you're in the majority. Because unlike in the past where 1 person typically bought 1 copy of a game (1 person. 1 vote). Today a person can continue to pump money into their favorite game of choice by purchasing microtransactions. And each time they do that they are voting with their wallet.

In today's gaming industry, people with bigger wallets have more votes.
The unfortunate result of that is that most game companies take the safe (and profitable) path of releasing the minimum viable product that they need to in order to sell these microtransactions to people with large wallets who will continue to vote loud and clear that this is what they want.

Frankly, I don't know what the solution is, but what I do know is that if you want to get anything done these days, you might want to get other people on board. And it just so happens that the forums are a convenient place where people can share their gripes and ideas with other players, AND share those feelings with the devs at the same time. It's not perfect, but it might carry more weight than silently unsubbing.

Someone on one of the reddit subs did a calculation and found that square made 30 million dollars off the squall bike alone, what does my measly 20 dollars per month matter to them when they have a cash shop retention like that

It’s obvious me walking away won’t change anything, so I’d rather come on here and ask for what I want considering leaving isn’t going to benefit anyone

[Reap00]

sadly all this is extremely true and sums up some of the biggest problems ff14 has.

If that quote is as true as you claim why do you play the game? Why does that person play the game? I have been playing since 1.0 and like the op find things to do and enjoy in ffxiv every single day. If you are unhappy do something you enjoy. Stop spending your entire existence incessantly complaining about things you cannot change in life. You may actually find something you enjoy.