All The Doom Threads Are Strange To Me

[BarghastTimes]

I honestly feel the same, and I think I'll go back to Everquest after this because at least there's content and a community that listens and gets decent QoL changes put in place. They don't scream bloody murder when you hint the game isn't perfect. Or blame everything on some nebulous form of the game from 15 years ago and how impossible it is to change anything. "Oh, well because 1.0 that's impossible and we should just accept to be miserable. I like giving my money to Squeenix so they can waste it on pointless GACHA games and titles they cancel in a week."

Etc etc "Don't let the door hit you on your way out." And "Well this game isn't for you clearly." < Great way to build a community folks, or even keep one going.

[sindriiisgaming]

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I am a consumer. It is my right to complain when a product i pay for or have paid for no longer satisfys me or delivers on its original promises, people can like this or not, but fundimentally this is my right, and telling me to just *unsub silently* is absolutley ludicrous. that should be my personal choice to ubsub with or without saying anything. i am of the belief that if i dont say what i dont like about the game, that i can never expect it to improve, because the developers will NEVER know what i didnt like. i am seeing so many people just trying and trying and getting bodied in the replies, to tell us consumers our opinions dont matter or that we should stop posting here, as if these forums are monopolized by the pro yoshiP maffia or something, the simple reality is, if you dont agree, just say it and then go away. but telling people to quit.. imagine im on the outside of ffxiv looking at joining, and i see complaints to the game about its obscene content droughts, and everywhere are ppl saying "just quit, its not for u" i wouldnt join this game because i wouldnt feel like i would be welcome here if i didnt 1000% like the game.

if everybody who was unhappy with this game quit. ud have no ques for ur dalies, no buyers for ur crafted mats, no pvp to que with, no pfs. ud have nobody. u realize that right? that this IS an Online Multiplayer game, and not a solo game. regadless hm square and yoship try to peddle that.

It's a liveservice game with no long term content.
It's an mmo where people don't need to play together.
It's an rpg without rpg elements.
It uses a class based system but makes them all the same.
It provides some challenges but fails to deliver on rewards to incentivise anyone to do them.

XIV is just not a good game.
I honestly could go on for hours.
You can farm mounts but have nowhere to show them off.
You can farm better gear but it's only useful in the content you got it from.
You can get housing items but the housing system is terrible so most players don't even have one.

Nothing in this game matters or makes a difference.

It is not hard to make the content have longevity. it is not have to have old achievments (like savage) mean something, wow does it fine, and i dont care what u think of bliz or wow. the fact is, to be blunt. they do this aspect correct.

but heres wat ill do. ill sub when content drops, and ill unsub when its gone, and ill show square and yoshida that my subscription is only based on the content he provides. and that im unwilling to pay for downtime or mediocrity. and if everybody did this.. lemmi tell u.. this games devs would be bricking it and thing WOULD change.

ill not be replying to replies of this comment, because honestly. ive said my bit and i dont care what anyone else thinks. after next week im unsubbed and gone till dawntrail. and if dawntrail is just as bad as this exp. ill be only subbing for 1 month every 3 years when the expansion is at its final patch. I funedimentally refuse to keep paying for nothing after FOUR years of it

[Erzaa]

I am a consumer. It is my right to complain when a product i pay for or have paid for no longer satisfys me or delivers on its original promises, people can like this or not, but fundimentally this is my right, and telling me to just *unsub silently* is absolutley ludicrous. that should be my personal choice to ubsub with or without saying anything. i am of the belief that if i dont say what i dont like about the game, that i can never expect it to improve, because the developers will NEVER know what i didnt like. i am seeing so many people just trying and trying and getting bodied in the replies, to tell us consumers our opinions dont matter or that we should stop posting here, as if these forums are monopolized by the pro yoshiP maffia or something, the simple reality is, if you dont agree, just say it and then go away. but telling people to quit.. imagine im on the outside of ffxiv looking at joining, and i see complaints to the game about its obscene content droughts, and everywhere are ppl saying "just quit, its not for u" i wouldnt join this game because i wouldnt feel like i would be welcome here if i didnt 1000% like the game.

if everybody who was unhappy with this game quit. ud have no ques for ur dalies, no buyers for ur crafted mats, no pvp to que with, no pfs. ud have nobody. u realize that right? that this IS an Online Multiplayer game, and not a solo game. regadless hm square and yoship try to peddle that.

but heres wat ill do. ill sub when content drops, and ill unsub when its gone, and ill show square that my subscription is only based on the content he provides. and that im unwilling to pay for downtime or mediocrity. and if everybody did this.. lemmi tell u.. this games devs would be bricking it and thing WOULD change

Again, yes. You're correct, you have a right to complain. That's the point. You have a certain opinion of how the game should change to be better. You offer your advice, it's ignored. Then what? Give it again? And again? Definition of insanity?

As long as a company is making a profit, and you're not happy with the end product you purchased, you offer your advice on improvements, if they're not implemented, you stop going to said company. If enough people do so, then company loses profits, company makes improvements.

If you leave but most people stick around, then maybe you need to start thinking that maybe... just maybe... it's just you!

And yes, maybe they would put the game into maintenance mode, that's what happened to SWToR, I still enjoyed it for what it was and left as soon as I was done with it. But judging by how they handled 1.0 - 2.0 and how Blizzard handled the WoW Exodus, if indeed your issues a valid and enough people agree, leaving is your best course of action, they'd probably fix it.

[sindriiisgaming]

Again, yes. You're correct, you have a right to complain. That's the point. You have a certain opinion of how the game should change to be better. You offer your advice, it's ignored. Then what? Give it again? And again? Definition of insanity?

As long as a company is making a profit, and you're not happy with the end product you purchased, you offer your advice on improvements, if they're not implemented, you stop going to said company. If enough people do so, then company loses profits, company makes improvements.

If you leave but most people stick around, then maybe you need to start thinking that maybe... just maybe... it's just you!

And yes, maybe they would put the game into maintenance mode, that's what happened to SWToR, I still enjoyed it for what it was and left as soon as I was done with it. But judging by how they handled 1.0 - 2.0 and how Blizzard handled the WoW Exodus, if indeed your issues a valid and enough people agree, leaving is your best course of action, they'd probably fix it.

Solid answer so ill reply to just this 1. ur right that leaving rn is for the best, however i dont agree about the insanity part. sometimes u have to yell REEALLY loud. but in the end ur right and i agree with u that ppl should now just quit ff till summer if theyre not happy with the game. forget ur house, its a shackle around ur neck. forget ur fc. if they love u they wont throw u out. discard ur ties, let go and be somewhere better. MHW is booming, wow is decent, OSRS will never financially exploit you.

[CNitsah]

It's not supposed to be a grindfest, but grind is part of the experience since the beginning. ARR relic, HW relic and diadem, SB eureka, ShB Bozja/Zadnor. Some kind of grind has been part of the deal from the beginning to please the mmo players that likes that kind of thing. Sure, compared to other mmo, it was a pretty light grind, but it was there. Nobody can deny that. Plus that content served the purpose of keeping those players engaged during the down periods.

EW totally removed that. Sure some people are happy with it, but there are people that play mmo for that kind of content, and liked that the FFXIV version of that wasn't too much of a time sink while still there. The whole "FFXIV is not supposed to be WoW" is kinda ignoring that has been part of the experience since the beginning. FFXIV has the chance to well installed, because any new mmo with a content EW would be criticized for its lack of mmo elements. Question would probably be "Why make a mmo anyway". I think keeping your mmo crowd happy is important in a mmo.

I believe that if there was another mmo that would go for the "good story, not too much grind but still enough to keep mmo players engaged" that FFXIV used to have, most of the mmo crowd would move to that game.

[Volgia]

I don't like doomer posts either, but I don't want to leave the discussion to people who want exploratory zones to disappear, or who think we shouldn't lock rewards like mounts behind Savages. These people are actively trying to ruin the gameplay part of this game by uncritically consuming whatever is served to them and then defending it by saying that this game isn't for you anymore, or that you should patch log and then unsub to play another game.

[Erzaa]

I don't like doomer posts either, but I don't want to leave the discussion to people who want exploratory zones to disappear, or who think we shouldn't lock rewards like mounts behind Savages. These people are actively trying to ruin the gameplay part of this game by uncritically consuming whatever is served to them and then defending it by saying that this game isn't for you anymore, or that you should patch log and then unsub to play another game.

Who's saying that? If SE added another exploratory zone, I'd do it. I'd still find it a drag after the initial luster wears, but I'd shut up and do it.

And yes, high-end raiders deserve rewards too, and since I don't do that stuff, I won't get that reward. Such is life.

My point is that people who enjoy exploratory zones, didn't get one this expansion and are claiming they got less content, which is untrue.

Should I be making posts about how Shadowbringers needs more content because there's no Deep Dungeon, or Hildy, or Allied Quests for the Tribes, which I enjoy?

[Volgia]

Who's saying that?

Am I being gaslit.

Should I be making posts about how Shadowbringers needs more content because there's no Deep Dungeon, or Hildy, or Allied Quests for the Tribes, which I enjoy?

Complaining about ShB now is a moot point considering you got all of this in Endwalker, but if we were in ShB times yes you would have been entitled to complain about them not adding content you'd be expecting to be there. I wasn't in these forums when ShB came out so I can't say if people complained about Hild or Deep Dungeons, but yes you should have.

[Erzaa]

Am I being gaslit.

No, I'm serious, who said exploratory zones should never exist again, or that savages shouldn't have rewards? I've never seen anyone say that.

Most posts are about Endwalker being devoid of content, because one exploratory zone where you have to grind for three months doesn't exist, saying the new stuff like Variant Dungeons, Island Sancturary, and Deep Dungeon, and Allied Tribes returning doesn't count. Or complaints about how easy everything is, when it's about the same for me, I die a few times and then it's easy, same as any other content.

I've also seen some complaints I can understand, like the exploratory zones are meant for midcore people who want some challenge but not a super difficult one. Which you'll still get, albeit to a lesser extent.

I haven't seen anyone say Savage needs to be removed from the game, or exploratory content shouldn't be in the game.

Complaining about ShB now is a moot point considering you got all of this in Endwalker, but if we were in ShB times yes you would have been entitled to complain about them not adding content you'd be expecting to be there. I wasn't in these forums when ShB came out so I can't say if people complained about Hild or Deep Dungeons, but yes you should have.

Complaining about all this is a moot point, since Endwalker is now over and we're in the downtime waiting for Dawntrail and they've said I believe a new exploratory zone is coming?

[LittleImp]

Should I be making posts about how Shadowbringers needs more content because there's no Deep Dungeon, or Hildy, or Allied Quests for the Tribes, which I enjoy?

You're welcome to, and many people actually totally had those complaints at the time. There were actually a lot of folks who considered the Shadowbringers patches to be a major step down from Stormblood (content-wise) as they were coming out. IMO, Shadowbringers postgame is only really fondly remembered because a significant portion of the games current population started playing the game during Shadowbringers.