(Large Housing Problem) 177 Bids on One House

[Jojoya]

Dynamic ward creation will be possible if SE goes full cloud servers for FF14. But at this moment no the current infrastructure cant do it. And until we know SE exact plans in regards to cloud servers we are stuck with what we have now.

There would still be the issue of when SE would choose to add more wards with Dynamic ward creation.

Do they do it only when all wards across all districts are filled?

Do they do it only when all wards of a specific housing district are filled?

Do they do it when a specific size across all housing districts is filled or again if it just happens within a specific district?

Even with it, I see a future filled with unhappy players because they are unable to obtain the plot they want when the limited number currently available sell out. Outside of the ranked PvP seasonal rewards, I can't think of anything else in game that a player can't get because the reward can only be possessed by a specific number of players.

This is supposed to be a cooperative game, not a competitive one. Limited rewards don't promote cooperation.

[Kaiproberts]

There would still be the issue of when SE would choose to add more wards with Dynamic ward creation.

Do they do it only when all wards across all districts are filled?

Do they do it only when all wards of a specific housing district are filled?

Do they do it when a specific size across all housing districts is filled or again if it just happens within a specific district?

Even with it, I see a future filled with unhappy players because they are unable to obtain the plot they want when the limited number currently available sell out. Outside of the ranked PvP seasonal rewards, I can't think of anything else in game that a player can't get because the reward can only be possessed by a specific number of players.

This is supposed to be a cooperative game, not a competitive one. Limited rewards don't promote cooperation.

Exactly. The only thing I've wanted since I've started playing is a large house and one of the relic weapons. I have been pursuing a large for literally years. Started with a small while I made money. Eventually got a medium with help from a friend. Saved a ton more money. Larges were 200mil at one point to buy from other people, up to 500mil+ at one point. It got way out of hand. Fast forward to now, you can still buy larges from other players as an FC sell (after the waiting period) but the price is a ridiculous 1bil+ now. Everything done to help housing has been an absolute joke. I literally don't play any other part of the game. I just log in, enter lottery, log out until next large is available, probably like so many of us do at this point I'd bet.

[Jojoya]

Exactly. The only thing I've wanted since I've started playing is a large house and one of the relic weapons. I have been pursuing a large for literally years. Started with a small while I made money. Eventually got a medium with help from a friend. Saved a ton more money. Larges were 200mil at one point to buy from other people, up to 500mil+ at one point. It got way out of hand. Fast forward to now, you can still buy larges from other players as an FC sell (after the waiting period) but the price is a ridiculous 1bil+ now. Everything done to help housing has been an absolute joke. I literally don't play any other part of the game. I just log in, enter lottery, log out until next large is available, probably like so many of us do at this point I'd bet.

Unfortunately, it's the system you support that places you in the position of finding it next to impossible to get a large. Even if SE were to move to dynamic ward system, I doubt what they would do add wards based on a specific size not being available. Not every player wants a large but I'm certain that a clear majority would if it were easier to obtain one. That would move the number of wards needed per world from dozens to over a thousand considering the current ward layouts.

But let's assume for a moment they did. Every time all large plots sold out, SE would add new wards. Would being in a ward/sub-division with only 3 large plots, a couple of mediums and no smalls occupied give you that neighborhood feeling you're looking for? Or would it quickly get boring as you stand in your yard looking out over all the empty plots and there's never any other players around?

I wouldn't say that everything they have done to update housing over the years has been a joke, but it definitely has not been sufficient to meet player demand. I sometimes wonder if they judge housing status based on just the JP worlds, ignoring that NA and EU worlds have larger player populations.

Out of curiosity, what are your feelings on Housing Mirage (assuming it gets implemented at some point in Dawntrail)? Would getting a large interior with a small or medium plot satisfy your desire for a large, or is the large plot itself also part of what you want?

[NanaWiloh]

Lets hope they go with cloud servers and dynamic wards then for everyones sake. And OMG the floor just shook rofl

[DioK]

I predict that, should a large house become easy enough such everyone can get one, people will be on the forums complaining that large houses are too common and easy to get; so, they no longer feel special.

[Burmecia]

I predict that, should a large house become easy enough such everyone can get one, people will be on the forums complaining that large houses are too common and easy to get; so, they no longer feel special.

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I used to take screenshots of people predicting unhappiness and tantrums over too many lost lotteries. Fast forward to current day...

This ain't that, but I think I add this to my collection because cannot not see this happening.

...I think I once saw-- read someone protesting lottery because that alternative way of acquiring house would make them feel less special about their houseownership? You know, by clicking war. -Pls don't ask receipts, I am ladling this from my memories raw.

[Palin]

Exactly. The only thing I've wanted since I've started playing is a large house and one of the relic weapons. I have been pursuing a large for literally years. Started with a small while I made money. Eventually got a medium with help from a friend. Saved a ton more money. Larges were 200mil at one point to buy from other people, up to 500mil+ at one point. It got way out of hand. Fast forward to now, you can still buy larges from other players as an FC sell (after the waiting period) but the price is a ridiculous 1bil+ now. Everything done to help housing has been an absolute joke. I literally don't play any other part of the game. I just log in, enter lottery, log out until next large is available, probably like so many of us do at this point I'd bet.

Imagine then for a moment that while you are trying to get your dream large house, you could complete certain requirements for let's say grand company or reach certain point of main storyline. With that you get a small space with the design of your prefered ward (or possibly any prefered location in game). Seemingly out of the way location that's just the right size, not too small and not too large, for a house and certain amount of outdoor furnishings. On there you build a house of any size you want. So now while trying to get a spot in the neighborhood you could already have your house, and possibly be able to move it from that spot into the spot you might acquire, so there is no hassle of building and decorating the place again. Maybe even ability to link your house in adventurer plate, so random people could have a chance of visiting your house and leaving a message if you so desire

[Solowing]

Unfortunately, it's the system you support that places you in the position of finding it next to impossible to get a large. Even if SE were to move to dynamic ward system, I doubt what they would do add wards based on a specific size not being available. Not every player wants a large but I'm certain that a clear majority would if it were easier to obtain one. That would move the number of wards needed per world from dozens to over a thousand considering the current ward layouts.

But let's assume for a moment they did. Every time all large plots sold out, SE would add new wards. Would being in a ward/sub-division with only 3 large plots, a couple of mediums and no smalls occupied give you that neighborhood feeling you're looking for? Or would it quickly get boring as you stand in your yard looking out over all the empty plots and there's never any other players around?

I wouldn't say that everything they have done to update housing over the years has been a joke, but it definitely has not been sufficient to meet player demand. I sometimes wonder if they judge housing status based on just the JP worlds, ignoring that NA and EU worlds have larger player populations.

Out of curiosity, what are your feelings on Housing Mirage (assuming it gets implemented at some point in Dawntrail)? Would getting a large interior with a small or medium plot satisfy your desire for a large, or is the large plot itself also part of what you want?

Instanced housing will get the Island Sanctuary treatment. Once its done, nobody will really stay to use it because you cant mass invite people to an instance hous, just friends

[Solowing]

Given how often the subject of how people are frustrated with housing i am willing to expect that the amount of people who would be interested in housing alternatives might not be so miniscule. People just don’t care enough about housing to say anything at all, or are just not aware that they can ask for something different, or that there are alternatives at all.



I really don’t expect the dynamic wards to be the resolution to those problems you’d expect. Unless what you expect is endless strings of empty lavender beds wards, with only large 29 or whatever that popular spot is. Or people getting bullied into claiming unwanted spots just so a new ward can open, for others to claim better places. Not to mention the processing power it would require to have such dynamically allocated memory would be most likely very hard to achieve.


If devs were so satisfied with this system they would not give us apartments to get the most basic experience of housing. Or they would not give us island sanctuary outdoor furnishing so we can use those without at least a small house. Or they would not have to turn off the auto demo every time some disaster struck. Besides if we would take
“devs made it this way so we should accept it as it is” we would still be stuck on 1.0 gameplay rules. No system was sacred before so why does this one must stay as it is? People are not so satisfied and while I do not consider housing that big of a deal for many, it can be part of a larger sum of little nitpics that would make people leave.


And if you want to fight dozens of people for a spot and be at the mercy of RNG just to land next to a gingerbread house surrounded with namazu effieges then be my guest. I am not asking for wards to be removed. Just an alternative

just remember, the community got the lottery system it asked for. It accounted for those who dont have the time to play every day and its completely fair, and noone has a leg up on anyone regardless of playtime.

Wanting the game to account for everybody reduced their own chances of winning and made getting a house take longer. An unexpected byproduct of people expecting competition for their plot of choice was gonna remain at 3-5 hardcore dedicated and not 15-30 players vying for the same plot.

And given how Island Sanctuary has complaints about being isolated and away from everyone. Do players think Instanced Housing is gonna be different? Itll likely be friend-list restricted, so players interested in venus wont touch it. Most players wont touch it after its done due to its limited accessibility moreso isolating them from the rest of the community.

[Palin]

just remember, the community got the lottery system it asked for. It accounted for those who dont have the time to play every day and its completely fair, and noone has a leg up on anyone regardless of playtime.

Wanting the game to account for everybody reduced their own chances of winning and made getting a house take longer. An unexpected byproduct of people expecting competition for their plot of choice was gonna remain at 3-5 hardcore dedicated and not 15-30 players vying for the same plot.

I wasn't that invested in housing around the time and i didn't know it was change brought about on the forums.(i didn't even know forums were a thing at a time). Anyway the problem with housing isn't based on it's fair distribution and how people get the houses. It's the supply and demand problem. Not even the most sophisticated system in the world designed to distribute houses would be enough for everyone interested to be satisfied, if there is not enough houses for everyone. Instanced housing was meant to solve that problem and be a new subtype of housing, not a modification to wards housing. Besides what kind of argument is that "we asked for lottery so we have to deal with it" are we to be punished for asking for unfair and bad system to be changed? Are we supposed to just accept bad housing in otherwise great game just because one small solution didn't fix all the problems?

And given how Island Sanctuary has complaints about being isolated and away from everyone. Do players think Instanced Housing is gonna be different? Itll likely be friend-list restricted, so players interested in venus wont touch it. Most players wont touch it after its done due to its limited accessibility moreso isolating them from the rest of the community.

Island Sanctuary is it's own bag of problems one of them being that there is next to nothing you can do with friends or other people. It appears it was purposefully designed to be this way, to quote "your own personal paradise". So only allowing your friend list to access your island seemed to be deliberate choice. Now i am not here to say if it's good or bad decisions but coupled that with very hands off gameplay that was heavly time gated, that's what caused island sanctuary to be left behind by many people.

Then again the introduction of outdoor furnishings brought many people back and made island more enjoyable for many. Going back to the subject one thing coming with "package" of instanced housing would have to be some alternative way of accessing houses. Perhaps as a link in chat you can share or put in adventures plate that allows you to access that persons house?

That not mentioning the fact that venues are rather smaller part of how houses are used and many would prefer to decorate houses for their own sake and fun, not caring if others will see it or not.