(Large Housing Problem) 177 Bids on One House

[Stormpeaks]

I'm sorry, do you genuinely think you're one of the only people who has levelled multiple alts and raised gil across the board for a shot at their preferred housing? You don't think people have been doing the same thing for years, especially when Empyreum dropped? Some of you really do think highly of yourselves, don't you?

And yes, you still lucked out; you even point out yourself you took advantage of being around at the right time when the housing switch happened and new wards were added, and you were fortunate not to have any other bids on it.

Pushing the blame on to players for not sacrificing what actually makes the game meaningful for them to drop everything and move to a smaller server where you think they might have a shot isn't a practical argument, either. Competition would still be rife, supply would still be rapidly eaten up and the end result would be exactly the same. The game's population and how housing works is in a drastically different place than it was ten years ago, and the game in general has been sagging under the weight of its flawed and outdated infrastructure for years now. The blame lies squarely with the devs for allowing the problem to compound the way it has.

And again, larges were 3 per ward because they were FC only, ridiculously expensive and it was predicted that very few players would even shoot for them because of the immense amount of effort/ money required for what was effectively a glorified gil sink at the time with very little to them. This weird "luxury" perception is something players assigned a broken system to make themselves feel special because they have something else other players don't, and this thread more than illustrates that that's the crux of the matter for the majority of people arguing against this to begin with.

People who put in more effort got what they worked towards

more news at 11

[Reinha]

I'm sorry, do you genuinely think you're one of the only people who has levelled multiple alts and raised gil across the board for a shot at their preferred housing?

You forgot the other steps I mentioned. Had a person taken all of them, they would have a mansion.

And yes, you still lucked out; you even point out yourself you took advantage of being around at the right time when the housing switch happened and new wards were added, and you were fortunate not to have any other bids on it.

Choosing to subscribe for years without breaks isn't luck. You started in 2015 like me and had the same opportunity which you didn't seize. The bids were all mine because I placed them early and I placed enough so that other large plots had fewer bids. That's not luck, but strategy. Obviously there are players who only started playing after 6.3, however new players have the option to wait until the next ward release just like I waited.

And again, larges were 3 per ward because they were FC only, ridiculously expensive and it was predicted that very few players would even shoot for them because of the immense amount of effort/ money required for what was effectively a glorified gil sink at the time with very little to them.

Isgard housing was released in Endwalker and it still had 3 larges per ward despite the fact that many players can now afford them, so mansions being reserved for the few is intended by the developers.

[Lunaxia]

Choosing to subscribe for years without breaks isn't luck. You started in 2015 like me and had the same opportunity which you didn't seize. The bids were all mine because I placed them early and I placed enough so that other large plots had fewer bids. That's not luck, but strategy. Obviously there are players who only started playing after 6.3, however new players have the option to wait until the next ward release just like I waited.

A fairly common practice that is still predicated on the luck of it succeeding and actually panning out the way you hoped, which for many people it unfortunately doesn't, down to something as small as a single bid. And being subscribed at the ideal time is, again, a matter of circumstances being in your favor, that leaves newer players out in the cold and punishes those who couldn't be there. Do you actually think "waiting several years" and counting on life not screwing you out of the opportunity to be around is an adequate method of even hoping to obtain a house?

And I'm not talking about myself.

Isgard housing was released in Endwalker and it still had 3 larges per ward despite the fact that many players can now afford them, so mansions being reserved for the few is intended by the developers.

Changing the implementation at that point would have caused an absolute uproar, especially when Ishgard was already so at risk of being dangerously overcrowded because of the demand since Heavensward that they chose then to put a lottery system in place. They would have been foolhardy to actively promote further inequality in housing and between the various divisions when there's enough angst surrounding the issue already.

People who put in more effort get what they worked towards

more news at 11

We're throwing basic reading comprehension out the window with logic too, I guess.

EDIT: Zero for two. If you're desperately trying to make this about me and constructing imaginary stories because you've run out of points to make, I think we're done here.

[Stormpeaks]

A fairly common practice that is still predicated on the luck of it succeeding and actually panning out the way you hoped, which for many people it unfortunately doesn't, down to something as small as a single bid. And being subscribed at the ideal time is, again, a matter of circumstances being in your favor, that leaves newer players out in the cold and punishes those who couldn't be there. Do you actually think "waiting several years" and counting on life not screwing you out of the opportunity to be around is an adequate method of even hoping to obtain a house?

And I'm not talking about myself.



Changing the implementation at that point would have caused an absolute uproar, especially when Ishgard was already so at risk of being dangerously overcrowded because of the demand since Heavensward that they chose then to put a lottery system in place. They would have been foolhardy to actively promote further inequality in housing and between the various divisions when there's enough angst surrounding the issue already.



We're throwing basic reading comprehension out the window with logic too, I guess.

You're literally on light which is the easiest way to get larges because there arent that many players, you're complaining from a light standpoint ? Try crystal, primal or Aether, and say that again.

You not managing to get a large on light is 100% on you, especially since 2015.

The problem is you.

Try harder.

[Jojoya]

You forgot the other steps I mentioned. Had a person taken all of them, they would have a mansion.



Choosing to subscribe for years without breaks isn't luck. You started in 2015 like me and had the same opportunity which you didn't seize. The bids were all mine because I placed them early and I placed enough so that other large plots had fewer bids. That's not luck, but strategy. Obviously there are players who only started playing after 6.3, however new players have the option to wait until the next ward release just like I waited.



Isgard housing was released in Endwalker and it still had 3 larges per ward despite the fact that many players can now afford them, so mansions being reserved for the few is intended by the developers.

Or they're simply following a formula they created for ward design because it's convenient or because there's something in the game's coding that makes it difficult to deviate from the 3-7-20.

That they're working on Housing Mirage to potentially allow small plot owners to have a large interior shows that their thinking has changed in the decade since housing was first added to the game. They may no longer feel that it's in the game's best interests to have such limitations though starting a new housing system from scratch would be very expensive. Housing Mirage becomes a compromise.

To me it's beyond crazy that we go to such lengths to attack each other over opinions about housing design when it's ultimately up to SE. They set the rules. The vast majority of players, even the multiple house owners, are playing within the rules.

There are changes coming, I'm guessing in 7.1. Let's see what happens.

[Eraden]

Seems clear to Mao that Devs goings by tried and true MMO system of makings some things hard to gets. Whether it is new shiny gears or big fancy houses, having something that is rare or hard to get in game is way to keeps players going as thems will keep trying for brass ring.

[Khryseis_Astra]

That they're working on Housing Mirage to potentially allow small plot owners to have a large interior shows that their thinking has changed in the decade since housing was first added to the game. They may no longer feel that it's in the game's best interests to have such limitations though starting a new housing system from scratch would be very expensive. Housing Mirage becomes a compromise.

To me it's beyond crazy that we go to such lengths to attack each other over opinions about housing design when it's ultimately up to SE. They set the rules. The vast majority of players, even the multiple house owners, are playing within the rules.

There are changes coming, I'm guessing in 7.1. Let's see what happens.

I’m cautiously optimistic so far. Much as I’d like to see a fully instanced housing option added to the ward system (fingers crossed that Lifestyle Content 2.0 might be something close enough), my more “realistic” prediction is Housing Mirage to satisfy the size disparity alongside the planned item limit increases, another 6 wards added to each zone for a total of 36 (because that will fit without having to redesign the current UI lol) and a new residential district added, probably in Old Sharlayan. Maybe not all in 7.x though… but I think that’s the more conservative route to go: it’ll make things a little better, even though scarcity will still be an issue on some DCs. Guess it depends on how much they’re willing to innovate and break the old patterns. Housing Mirage and even IS give me some hope that at least someone involved wants to push things forward and do some real updates.

[NanaWiloh]

You're literally on light which is the easiest way to get larges because there arent that many players, you're complaining from a light standpoint ? Try crystal, primal or Aether, and say that again.

You not managing to get a large on light is 100% on you, especially since 2015.

The problem is you.

Try harder.

On primal can confirm getting a large is a case of try when new wards drop and cross all fingers. Here on Lamia at least 1 med frees up everyother lotto, larges pffffft not chance on a cold day in Hell.

[HeyMcFly]

there were 200 something bids on the medium i wanted; i was 1st entry bc 'why not just get it over with bc im never winning by this rate' after like many, i lost over and over
and i won my medium

RNG is RNG

[Lusarae]

I wouldn't be against a cap of how many people can bid on a house. 100 is more than enough. You'd have at least one or two days to get that slot. It wouldn't help much but it would be better than nothing.