Thoughts on the Yoshi P AMA?

[sindriiisgaming]

The patch cycle is very frequent though. Developing things takes time. The only thing that conceivably make it faster is switching to the Unreal 5 engine or using AI for everything.

I think that's what people really want when they say more frequent patch cycles.

It takes more than 5 years for everyone to stop playing a high-population game they have played for 10 years, especially when it is regularly producing top-quality content such as extreme, savage, ultimate, criterion, items and story.

It would take at least 10 years for people to slowly leave and then for returners to stop returning and if SE keeps creating top-quality content like this then many of them will probably just return anyway.

Currently there still isn't really a good amount of statistical evidence of this in the first place.

It takes 5 minutes for people to leave and the state of the game rn is making ppl leave/unsub.
As for "quality content" I have to seriously ask if you've been participating in the resent content post 6.2.

P3s, p7s, p10s are all examples of current savages that are not quality they are poorly designed and unenjoyable with ott body checks.
As for ex's I could name yet another example. Zodiark. Rubicante zeromus have all been failures with nonreal skills level.
Criterion is nit being done and the savage weapon augment is tone deff.
Ultimate- omega had a bug mid way into the fight that literally was killing random players due to agro
Story has been exceptionally poor post endwalker 6.0

Where is this quality content... really?

[Aword3213]

It takes 5 minutes for people to leave and the state of the game rn is making ppl leave/unsub.
As for "quality content" I have to seriously ask if you've been participating in the resent content post 6.2.

P3s, p7s, p10s are all examples of current savages that are not quality they are poorly designed and unenjoyable with ott body checks.
As for ex's I could name yet another example. Zodiark. Rubicante zeromus have all been failures with nonreal skills level.
Criterion is nit being done and the savage weapon augment is tone deff.
Ultimate- omega had a bug mid way into the fight that literally was killing random players due to agro
Story has been exceptionally poor post endwalker 6.0

Where is this quality content... really?

There's none. There wasn't any before. There won't be any in the future.

The exploratory zones in 7.0 will be as boring and uninteresting as people used to complain about Eureka and Bojza.

The combat will still be as boring and janky as people complained back in ShB and before

Final Fantasy XIV is claimed to be in maintance mode as soon as its first release.

The dev never listen and they will never be. Every discussion here is for the entertainment for community reps during their lunch break

There's absolutely no reason to remain subbed. Anyone who keeps subbing and leaving feedback despite knowing thsese is in deep copium.

[Sebazy]

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Your sig got me looking at the current metacritic user score trends out of curiosity.

The last ~100 ratings have been enough to nudge the score down to 8.9 with the average reviews left over the last month or two being more around the 7 mark. I suspect the next 6 months aren't going to be particularly kind to that score.

[sindriiisgaming]

There's none. There wasn't any before. There won't be any in the future.

The exploratory zones in 7.0 will be as boring and uninteresting as people used to complain about Eureka and Bojza.

The combat will still be as boring and janky as people complained back in ShB and before

Final Fantasy XIV is claimed to be in maintance mode as soon as its first release.

The dev never listen and they will never be. Every discussion here is for the entertainment for community reps during their lunch break

There's absolutely no reason to remain subbed. Anyone who keeps subbing and leaving feedback despite knowing thsese is in deep copium.

Eh I'm gona disagree there there has in the past been quality content. Shb and ew msq were fabulous. I enjoyed the shb role quests. I enjoyed the glam in shb and eureka is fun after pagos. I'm a ba dweller so- . I also thought Ishgard resto was enjoyable. I liked the ew omicron beast quests. I enjoyed bozja just not drs. And blundervil was fun before winding up well a blunder. Also found island ������ fun before the updates ruined it. Also they have listened. Ppl wanted more plates they got em. Wanted more glam they got em. Pvp reform , harder dungeons, a dual wielding job that isn't ninja, summoner rework. Have they done these right? No. But they did listen

[Jeeqbit]

It takes 5 minutes for people to leave

It takes 5 minutes for them to return (and they do, that is what the Returner flower icon is).

and the state of the game rn is making ppl leave/unsub.

But they mostly get replaced by Returners. The "20 million adventurers" is a pool of player who, may not be currently subscribed to the game, but at any given moment, some of that pool are returning to the game, replacing alllll those people who are burned out with the game. Add on to this the new players.

As for "quality content" I have to seriously ask if you've been participating in the resent content post 6.2.

Yes, I have. The savage raids have been great and I've loved them! I love the extremes as well. They are absolutely great, and I don't know how people could think otherwise! I say that as someone who has played the game since ARR as well.

P3s, p7s, p10s are all examples of current savages that are not quality they are poorly designed

I very much disagree. I joined P7S parties just for fun to help people clear as well.

Body checks are another debate entirely but have nothing to do with quality. Arguably if there aren't these, then people can be carried through it. If people can be carried through it then it sort of devalues the content. People already throw dirt at extremes sometimes for that.

Zodiark. Rubicante zeromus have all been failures with nonreal skills level.

But fun. (and you also proved my above point)

Criterion is nit being done

Content not being done doesn't mean it's not quality.

Ultimate- omega had a bug mid way into the fight that literally was killing random players due to agro

Bugs happen in all software. It's not very common that there is a major bug that prevents progression for all players.

[KenZentra]

But they mostly get replaced by Returners. The "20 million adventurers" is a pool of player who, may not be currently subscribed to the game, but at any given moment, some of that pool are returning to the game, replacing alllll those people who are burned out with the game. Add on to this the new players

Players returning to the game is great and all, but if most of the player base quits and comes back for a month after several months of not play as a returner, the skill level of the player base will remain low, meaning content cannot be complex, long, or too difficult and due to this will not retain players past that month.

Yes, I have. The savage raids have been great and I've loved them! I love the extremes as well. They are absolutely great, and I don't know how people could think otherwise! I say that as someone who has played the game since ARR as well.
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I very much disagree. I joined P7S parties just for fun to help people clear as well.

Body checks are another debate entirely but have nothing to do with quality. Arguably if there aren't these, then people can be carried through it. If people can be carried through it then it sort of devalues the content. People already throw dirt at extremes sometimes for that.
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But fun.

Most of what you are saying is more or less just saying the opposite of what you are replying to or adding your personal experience with content to say it is "good, actually" as a whole. Body checks being everywhere adds artificial difficulty to an encounter, essentially a boss with body checks after most mechanics might as well have a debuff on everyone saying "If anyone dies, you all die", because thats more or less whats going to happen. This problem with body checks DO affect the "quality" of the encounter. Body checks withhold you from seeing the rest of the encounter, meaning you cannot even theorize on later mechanics until you do previous mechanics perfectly. Its tedious. In fact, my own theory is that its made to be tedious to take as much time as possible to clear to try to keep people subbed as long as possible for progging and clearing.

Encounters such as Zodiark and most of Rubicante, are not quality, as you can have 7 blind players follow 1 guy with a Dorito on his head and clear. Take Hades as well. His last phase on Extreme has a safe spot that literally makes it a tank and spank. Its not quality, its half assed.

Content not being done doesn't mean it's not quality.

I dont think its a stretch to say content that is unpopular and isn't being cleared isn't quality. Thing is too, its not just Savage Criterion not being completed, but even variant dungeons arent being done, which last time I checked, you can do solo.

Bugs happen in all software. It's not very common that there is a major bug that prevents progression for all players.

Which means they didnt test the encounter properly, which is indicative of its quality.

Its great you have fun, and you enjoy it, happy with it. Thats all well and good, but that doesn't make it quality.

[Jeeqbit]

Body checks withhold you from seeing the rest of the encounter, meaning you cannot even theorize on later mechanics until you do previous mechanics perfectly. Its tedious. In fact, my own theory is that its made to be tedious to take as much time as possible to clear to try to keep people subbed as long as possible for progging and clearing.

Body checks are tedious, yet if you don't have them, you get:

Encounters such as Zodiark and most of Rubicante, are not quality, as you can have 7 blind players follow 1 guy with a Dorito on his head and clear. Take Hades as well. His last phase on Extreme has a safe spot that literally makes it a tank and spank. Its not quality, its half assed.

Body checks help prevent this exact problem.

I dont think its a stretch to say content that is unpopular and isn't being cleared isn't quality.

It is. By that logic, ultimate isn't quality either. Sometimes the incentive isn't there, sometimes the requirements are too high or sometimes the interest to try the content isn't there, and all these factors could apply prior to someone even doing the content to find out if it's any good.

Which means they didnt test the encounter properly, which is indicative of its quality.

Not necessarily. They have over 100 people test things but they still miss things occasionally. That is the nature of software development.

[KenZentra]

Body checks help prevent this exact problem.

You are right, but its not the only answer, its just the easiest answer. Just about every extreme aside from Zodiark and Rubicante needs every player to have at least some understanding of what is going on during a fight to be able to clear it. You cannot clear any of them aside from Zodiark and (most of) Rubicante with following someone and doing DPS, on content. That being said, body checks do not prevent carries from occuring. There are plenty of people still selling carries/clears in PF, so its not even a decent answer to that issue.

It is. By that logic, ultimate isn't quality either.

So you are comparing the most difficult content in-game, that to have access to it requires you to clear the final boss of a savage raid tier and assuming we are on content will be extremely difficult as well. To content that requires you to talk to the NPC to unlock it.

One is difficult to unlock, and difficult to clear, the other is wholly accessible and leagues easier than an Ultimate and STILL doesn't get done. There is really no comparison.

[Caro178]

One is difficult to unlock, and difficult to clear, the other is wholly accessible and leagues easier than an Ultimate and STILL doesn't get done. There is really no comparison.

"Criterion is leagues easier than an Ultimate" is one of the funniest things I've read on these forums. Tell me you've never touched either without telling me. All 3 of the Criterion dungeons are more demanding UWU and UCOB on a pure design standpoint and contain a mix of Extreme, Savage and Ultimate difficulty mechanics. Savage Criterion outright is a mini Ultimate. There are mechanics in Aloalo that are straight-up more taxing than any individual mechanic in Dragonsong or Omega Protocol (looking at you star cursed star pattern in Statice). Mechanically they are all well designed and anyone who has actually done them will probably give me that nod. I am critical as hell about the implementation of the savage reward system and the rarity of drops in the Another format, but they are not lacking in quality, challenge or innovation.

[Ath192]

"Criterion is leagues easier than an Ultimate" is one of the funniest things I've read on these forums. Tell me you've never touched either without telling me. All 3 of the Criterion dungeons are more demanding UWU and UCOB on a pure design standpoint and contain a mix of Extreme, Savage and Ultimate difficulty mechanics. Savage Criterion outright is a mini Ultimate. There are mechanics in Aloalo that are straight-up more taxing than any individual mechanic in Dragonsong or Omega Protocol (looking at you star cursed star pattern in Statice). Mechanically they are all well designed and anyone who has actually done them will probably give me that nod. I am critical as hell about the implementation of the savage reward system and the rarity of drops in the Another format, but they are not lacking in quality, challenge or innovation.

You probably don't remember or have done ultimate enough it's become second nature. If you did criterion savage every week it would become super easy too. You're probably comparing Ultimates in farm mode to Criterion savage in prog mode and thats not an accurate comparison. Understanding all the mechanics that go in an ultimate is always going to be way harder, even the tempo is different. The thing is once memorized and repeated ad nauseum it seems simple in retrospect.