Housing needs to be account based

[Raven2014]

How to remove any value and prestige out of housing in 1 lesson.

Don't see how it removes value unless you want to resale it, which is never the intention in the first place.

And any person who care about "prestige" in a video game, especially the kinds that comes at heavy cost of follow gamers should go out and touch grass I would say.

Like ... don't get me wrong, if someone covet the prestige of clearing ultimate, that's power to them because them clearing an ultimate doesn't stop anyone else also getting one. But if they want the prestige that comes with the mindset of "I got mind, **** you" then ... yeah, go out and touch grass.

[Stormpeaks]

Don't see how it removes value unless you want to resale it, which is never the intention in the first place.

And any person who care about "prestige" in a video game, especially the kinds that comes at heavy cost of follow gamers should go out and touch grass I would say.

Like ... don't get me wrong, if someone covet the prestige of clearing ultimate, that's power to them because them clearing an ultimate doesn't stop anyone else also getting one. But if they want the prestige that comes with the mindset of "I got mind, **** you" then ... yeah, go out and touch grass.

I dont think you understood what I meant by prestige or value even.

Some plots are called S-Tier in the housing community, plots such as S60,M35,LB41.

I'm not talking about value as in gil, I'm talking that it's simply the "end game" of housing to have one of those plots, that's why it's prestigious and has value, it ain't easy to get one, simple as that really. It's the biggest challenge that we face, to get one of those.

And yes, I dont want it handed out to everybody.

Housing is the same as ultimate, those plots are the "end game"

I dont expect you to understand if you are not part of the housing community though and that's okay.

All in all the focus should be on those that actually care about housing, not those who claim their house then never go to it again, never decorate it or just use it for the summoning bell.

Instanced housing will not happen, at the very least for the next few years to come, and I am very happy that way.

And I know very well ill be called selfish blah blah blah, I am enjoying a feature of the game. Period. Yoshi P has 0 intention of moving to instanced so if anything he is in direct agreement with my vision of housing.

Time to either deal with it or complaint endlessly, they don't read the EU/NA forums anyway so people can keep screaming into the void, the JP community is not interested in instanced housing and that's what the devs focus on.

[Raven2014]

I dont expect you to understand if you are not part of the housing community though and that's okay.

I have 2 houses in the game, including a Mansion at plot #2 in Mist and I had them probably for 5-6 years at this point, the other one is a small in Kurogane that I relocate from a Mist beachside front. I think it's kinda bold of you to assume everyone who is part of the "housing community" gotta think the same way you do. Are you assuming the people who complaining about the system and want improvement must be be homeless?

It's ok if you don't understand why some of us don't covet the joy and satisfaction of having some kind of virtual exclusiveness ... but do try anyway, it'll widen your perspective. This is about not gate-keeping the "majority" of the players from a major piece of content (one that's often found at the front of the game advertisement I might add), not just an issue between the have and have not.

I am enjoying a feature of the game.

Good, and there is no reason for why that feature have to be exclusively available for just a small portion of the players. No matter how many other people have a house, I doubt it will affect how I enjoy "my house". But then it looks like we don't have the same type of ego.

[Impia]

I dont think you understood what I meant by prestige or value even.

Some plots are called S-Tier in the housing community, plots such as S60,M35,LB41.

I'm not talking about value as in gil, I'm talking that it's simply the "end game" of housing to have one of those plots, that's why it's prestigious and has value, it ain't easy to get one, simple as that really. It's the biggest challenge that we face, to get one of those.

And yes, I dont want it handed out to everybody.

Housing is the same as ultimate, those plots are the "end game"

I dont expect you to understand if you are not part of the housing community though and that's okay.

All in all the focus should be on those that actually care about housing, not those who claim their house then never go to it again, never decorate it or just use it for the summoning bell.

Instanced housing will not happen, at the very least for the next few years to come, and I am very happy that way.

And I know very well ill be called selfish blah blah blah, I am enjoying a feature of the game. Period. Yoshi P has 0 intention of moving to instanced so if anything he is in direct agreement with my vision of housing.

Time to either deal with it or complaint endlessly, they don't read the EU/NA forums anyway so people can keep screaming into the void, the JP community is not interested in instanced housing and that's what the devs focus on.

This is entering lolcow territory :^)

[Boblawblah]

This is entering lolcow territory :^)

What is lolcow?

[Stormpeaks]

I have 2 houses in the game, including a Mansion at plot #2 in Mist and I had them probably for 5-6 years at this point, the other one is a small in Kurogane that I relocate from a Mist beachside front. I think it's kinda bold of you to assume everyone who is part of the "housing community" gotta think the same way you do. Are you assuming the people who complaining about the system and want improvement must be be homeless?

It's ok if you don't understand why some of us don't covet the joy and satisfaction of having some kind of virtual exclusiveness ... but do try anyway, it'll widen your perspective. This is about not gate-keeping the "majority" of the players from a major piece of content (one that's often found at the front of the game advertisement I might add), not just an issue between the have and have not.




Good, and there is no reason for why that feature have to be exclusively available for just a small portion of the players. No matter how many other people have a house, I doubt it will affect how I enjoy "my house". But then it looks like we don't have the same type of ego.

It really is not about ego, I think everyone should have a small house at the very least, that's why I advocated on the last page for improvements to the ward system with what I call "dynamic wards", the problem being that it costs money that obviously SE doesn't want to put in.

Dynamic wards are basically:

Ward 31 is full. Larges,mediums and smalls are taken.
Ward 32 opens.
Rinse and repeat until everyone has at the very least a small house.

It also creates more mediums and larges in the process.

Literally everyone wins, that is the solution, not instanced.

What is lolcow?

This dude literally just made an account to harass me lmao, I actually had to put him on block list because he was just being annoying and obnoxious

Look at his post history, living in his head rent free that's for sure, thankfully I take that as a compliment if I rile up someone that much without even doing anything, but it gets boring after like the 5th post

[Impia]

What is lolcow?

A lolcow is an internet personality which consistently behaves embarrassingly to a public audience, ex: Chris Chan.

[Khryseis_Astra]

Instanced housing will not happen, at the very least for the next few years to come, and I am very happy that way.

And I know very well ill be called selfish blah blah blah, I am enjoying a feature of the game. Period. Yoshi P has 0 intention of moving to instanced so if anything he is in direct agreement with my vision of housing.

Ok that made me literally LOL. At bare minimum, the fact that they want to do housing mirage says they don’t think that having a medium or large is some kind of prestige system, because they’re going to work on letting everyone have the interior space they want. Kinda sounds more like they painted themselves into a corner with the ward system, as well as grossly underestimating how popular personal housing would be, and they’re working on ideas to even things out. I could buy that maybe they don’t think there’s high demand for instanced because JP doesn’t have supply issues to the extent that NA does, but nowhere have I ever seen a statement from the dev team that would back up your position that housing is meant to be a prestige system and certain plots and sizes are purposely limited in order to reinforce that.

If anything, Island Sanctuary and housing mirage show that they’re experimenting with what they can do in the instanced areas of housing that already exist. And you can credit that when you see your interior item limit increases in Dawntrail. Because I highly doubt we’ll get a significant increase in outdoor space precisely because of the limitations of permanently loaded wards.

[Stormpeaks]

Ok that made me literally LOL. At bare minimum, the fact that they want to do housing mirage says they don’t think that having a medium or large is some kind of prestige system, because they’re going to work on letting everyone have the interior space they want. Kinda sounds more like they painted themselves into a corner with the ward system, as well as grossly underestimating how popular personal housing would be, and they’re working on ideas to even things out. I could buy that maybe they don’t think there’s high demand for instanced because JP doesn’t have supply issues to the extent that NA does, but nowhere have I ever seen a statement from the dev team that would back up your position that housing is meant to be a prestige system and certain plots and sizes are purposely limited in order to reinforce that.

If anything, Island Sanctuary and housing mirage show that they’re experimenting with what they can do in the instanced areas of housing that already exist. And you can credit that when you see your interior item limit increases in Dawntrail. Because I highly doubt we’ll get a significant increase in outdoor space precisely because of the limitations of permanently loaded wards.

And yet empy was put in with 6 larges and the same number of mediums per ward.

Which once again reinforces that mediums and larges (especially larges) are prestige.

Housing mirage is just like submarines for personal houses, its just blah blah blah until it's actually in the game.

Even if housing mirage does happen, it'll only be the inside and not the outside, so /shrug, cant say I care lol.

If anything it'll be better because we'll finally be able to remove the pillars that are blocking all the time, finally

[RitsukoSonoda]

Ok that made me literally LOL. At bare minimum, the fact that they want to do housing mirage says they don’t think that having a medium or large is some kind of prestige system, because they’re going to work on letting everyone have the interior space they want. Kinda sounds more like they painted themselves into a corner with the ward system, as well as grossly underestimating how popular personal housing would be, and they’re working on ideas to even things out. I could buy that maybe they don’t think there’s high demand for instanced because JP doesn’t have supply issues to the extent that NA does, but nowhere have I ever seen a statement from the dev team that would back up your position that housing is meant to be a prestige system and certain plots and sizes are purposely limited in order to reinforce that.

If anything, Island Sanctuary and housing mirage show that they’re experimenting with what they can do in the instanced areas of housing that already exist. And you can credit that when you see your interior item limit increases in Dawntrail. Because I highly doubt we’ll get a significant increase in outdoor space precisely because of the limitations of permanently loaded wards.

Housing really didn't become a problem until it they implemented personal housing because wards had too many empty plots when it was FC only and players started having large amounts of gil dumped on them just by doing duties and the MSQ. Since then it's been a series of tweaks and hardware expansions adding wards. However the core of the wards issue is that the wards system wasn't originally designed for such a large audience with a sub issue being failure to account for the inflation caused by the amount of gil created from nothing vastly exceeding what the systems in game can take out of circulation. Getting the gil to purchase a large plot back in ARR when the housing system was first implemented was an FC accomplishment. Now it's just a minor effort that can be easily achieved by 1 person.

Scrapping what already exists would be a waste of resources that would also result in a far amount of negative feedback. However the whole "just auto add more wards" isn't a good solution either as it's extremely inefficient in terms of expenses and resources. The most ideal solution would be to add instanced housing to go along with the ward system. However implement the instanced housing in areas that would logically support housing but also make sense to not have an established neighborhood. They'd be able to support more houses per server since it would just be stored data not in use until accessed by the player. There would IMO need to be some trade offs however to balance it with the wards. I'm not saying in regards to the actual features like indoor/outdoor decorations and such. I'm meaning things like gil cost where the instanced plot would cost a noticeable amount more than ward plot of the same size due to NPC's essentially setting them up on a build to order basis where as the wards are basically prebuilt.

This could help curb the game's inflation rate a little bit. It would also most likely free up various ward plots as well. I'm fairly sure many current home owners in game aren't thrilled with their neighbors or didn't want any to begin with.