Housing needs to be account based

[Stormpeaks]

That still wouldn't make players happy if they were stuck with a Goblet small when they wanted a LB 41 or Mist 5.

With a good instanced housing system, every player could get the size and location they want. The prestige driven players would be unhappy and some might well unsubscribe but their numbers would be a drop in the bucket compared to those now much happier with their housing.


Very true. They're the ones who designed the housing system. They're the ones who have allowed players to own multiple houses even on worlds where the number of available plots isn't sufficient for the world's population.

Taking things away from players that they put effort into acquiring is a poor choice. Instead, the focus should be on improving access to those things for all players.

A good instanced housing system will do that. If everyone wanted a LB 41 for each of their characters, they could have a LB 41 for their characters. Everyone having it wouldn't change what makes that plot so desirable in the first place. Ward housing could still exist for those that prefer it since SE has already spent the resources creating it.

No one loses anything of value.

How to remove any value and prestige out of housing in 1 lesson.

No thanks, and I can only be glad they are showing they are not interested in going down that road. Instanced is terrible.

Improve the ward system.

[Raven2014]

How to remove any value and prestige out of housing in 1 lesson.

Don't see how it removes value unless you want to resale it, which is never the intention in the first place.

And any person who care about "prestige" in a video game, especially the kinds that comes at heavy cost of follow gamers should go out and touch grass I would say.

Like ... don't get me wrong, if someone covet the prestige of clearing ultimate, that's power to them because them clearing an ultimate doesn't stop anyone else also getting one. But if they want the prestige that comes with the mindset of "I got mind, **** you" then ... yeah, go out and touch grass.

[Stormpeaks]

Don't see how it removes value unless you want to resale it, which is never the intention in the first place.

And any person who care about "prestige" in a video game, especially the kinds that comes at heavy cost of follow gamers should go out and touch grass I would say.

Like ... don't get me wrong, if someone covet the prestige of clearing ultimate, that's power to them because them clearing an ultimate doesn't stop anyone else also getting one. But if they want the prestige that comes with the mindset of "I got mind, **** you" then ... yeah, go out and touch grass.

I dont think you understood what I meant by prestige or value even.

Some plots are called S-Tier in the housing community, plots such as S60,M35,LB41.

I'm not talking about value as in gil, I'm talking that it's simply the "end game" of housing to have one of those plots, that's why it's prestigious and has value, it ain't easy to get one, simple as that really. It's the biggest challenge that we face, to get one of those.

And yes, I dont want it handed out to everybody.

Housing is the same as ultimate, those plots are the "end game"

I dont expect you to understand if you are not part of the housing community though and that's okay.

All in all the focus should be on those that actually care about housing, not those who claim their house then never go to it again, never decorate it or just use it for the summoning bell.

Instanced housing will not happen, at the very least for the next few years to come, and I am very happy that way.

And I know very well ill be called selfish blah blah blah, I am enjoying a feature of the game. Period. Yoshi P has 0 intention of moving to instanced so if anything he is in direct agreement with my vision of housing.

Time to either deal with it or complaint endlessly, they don't read the EU/NA forums anyway so people can keep screaming into the void, the JP community is not interested in instanced housing and that's what the devs focus on.

[NanaWiloh]

If they can successfully implement the mirage system their working on. Then the outdoor space of larges and mediums will become the only reason to get one.

[Ravenblade1979]

I find it really hard for Yoshi-P to decide to implement our so desired instanced housing in this game, I mean, you would have to demolish every personal house, every FC house, every venue, people would get mad af. But account based housing, yeah that's easy to do. The only ones who will complain are the ones who have multiple houses, which are the source of all these problems already.

Also this game needs more account wide stuff. Mogstation and seasonal items, achievements, MSQ, all that should be account wide.

Btw Lakeland residential district when?

Actually you could do instanced housing but while the maintenance is going on for it. Transfer ppls private/fc's to the instanced server so they lose nothing. The ppl this would make mad would be the people who own multiple and that's honestly not alot and face it...we still get new players for these players hissy fit to be laughed off.

Then they would just need to implement the current way stuff is set or tweak it to add ability to build up your house etc and allow 200 ppl to visit. Sounds hard I know but would be a way.

Other then that just add a small fee of a few dollars to the monthly sub as going towards upkeep to the instanced servers. It would be a qol and finally people could stop mass crying for housing.

[Khryseis_Astra]

Instanced housing will not happen, at the very least for the next few years to come, and I am very happy that way.

And I know very well ill be called selfish blah blah blah, I am enjoying a feature of the game. Period. Yoshi P has 0 intention of moving to instanced so if anything he is in direct agreement with my vision of housing.

Ok that made me literally LOL. At bare minimum, the fact that they want to do housing mirage says they don’t think that having a medium or large is some kind of prestige system, because they’re going to work on letting everyone have the interior space they want. Kinda sounds more like they painted themselves into a corner with the ward system, as well as grossly underestimating how popular personal housing would be, and they’re working on ideas to even things out. I could buy that maybe they don’t think there’s high demand for instanced because JP doesn’t have supply issues to the extent that NA does, but nowhere have I ever seen a statement from the dev team that would back up your position that housing is meant to be a prestige system and certain plots and sizes are purposely limited in order to reinforce that.

If anything, Island Sanctuary and housing mirage show that they’re experimenting with what they can do in the instanced areas of housing that already exist. And you can credit that when you see your interior item limit increases in Dawntrail. Because I highly doubt we’ll get a significant increase in outdoor space precisely because of the limitations of permanently loaded wards.

[Stormpeaks]

Ok that made me literally LOL. At bare minimum, the fact that they want to do housing mirage says they don’t think that having a medium or large is some kind of prestige system, because they’re going to work on letting everyone have the interior space they want. Kinda sounds more like they painted themselves into a corner with the ward system, as well as grossly underestimating how popular personal housing would be, and they’re working on ideas to even things out. I could buy that maybe they don’t think there’s high demand for instanced because JP doesn’t have supply issues to the extent that NA does, but nowhere have I ever seen a statement from the dev team that would back up your position that housing is meant to be a prestige system and certain plots and sizes are purposely limited in order to reinforce that.

If anything, Island Sanctuary and housing mirage show that they’re experimenting with what they can do in the instanced areas of housing that already exist. And you can credit that when you see your interior item limit increases in Dawntrail. Because I highly doubt we’ll get a significant increase in outdoor space precisely because of the limitations of permanently loaded wards.

And yet empy was put in with 6 larges and the same number of mediums per ward.

Which once again reinforces that mediums and larges (especially larges) are prestige.

Housing mirage is just like submarines for personal houses, its just blah blah blah until it's actually in the game.

Even if housing mirage does happen, it'll only be the inside and not the outside, so /shrug, cant say I care lol.

If anything it'll be better because we'll finally be able to remove the pillars that are blocking all the time, finally

[RitsukoSonoda]

Ok that made me literally LOL. At bare minimum, the fact that they want to do housing mirage says they don’t think that having a medium or large is some kind of prestige system, because they’re going to work on letting everyone have the interior space they want. Kinda sounds more like they painted themselves into a corner with the ward system, as well as grossly underestimating how popular personal housing would be, and they’re working on ideas to even things out. I could buy that maybe they don’t think there’s high demand for instanced because JP doesn’t have supply issues to the extent that NA does, but nowhere have I ever seen a statement from the dev team that would back up your position that housing is meant to be a prestige system and certain plots and sizes are purposely limited in order to reinforce that.

If anything, Island Sanctuary and housing mirage show that they’re experimenting with what they can do in the instanced areas of housing that already exist. And you can credit that when you see your interior item limit increases in Dawntrail. Because I highly doubt we’ll get a significant increase in outdoor space precisely because of the limitations of permanently loaded wards.

Housing really didn't become a problem until it they implemented personal housing because wards had too many empty plots when it was FC only and players started having large amounts of gil dumped on them just by doing duties and the MSQ. Since then it's been a series of tweaks and hardware expansions adding wards. However the core of the wards issue is that the wards system wasn't originally designed for such a large audience with a sub issue being failure to account for the inflation caused by the amount of gil created from nothing vastly exceeding what the systems in game can take out of circulation. Getting the gil to purchase a large plot back in ARR when the housing system was first implemented was an FC accomplishment. Now it's just a minor effort that can be easily achieved by 1 person.

Scrapping what already exists would be a waste of resources that would also result in a far amount of negative feedback. However the whole "just auto add more wards" isn't a good solution either as it's extremely inefficient in terms of expenses and resources. The most ideal solution would be to add instanced housing to go along with the ward system. However implement the instanced housing in areas that would logically support housing but also make sense to not have an established neighborhood. They'd be able to support more houses per server since it would just be stored data not in use until accessed by the player. There would IMO need to be some trade offs however to balance it with the wards. I'm not saying in regards to the actual features like indoor/outdoor decorations and such. I'm meaning things like gil cost where the instanced plot would cost a noticeable amount more than ward plot of the same size due to NPC's essentially setting them up on a build to order basis where as the wards are basically prebuilt.

This could help curb the game's inflation rate a little bit. It would also most likely free up various ward plots as well. I'm fairly sure many current home owners in game aren't thrilled with their neighbors or didn't want any to begin with.

[Aneshda]

And you can credit that when you see your interior item limit increases in Dawntrail. Because I highly doubt we’ll get a significant increase in outdoor space precisely because of the limitations of permanently loaded wards.

I have an Apartment with 100 Items in it and there is no free Space at the Walls or the Floor to put more decorations in that Apartment.
SE should change 1-room Apartments to upgradeable Apartments with 1 or 2 extra rooms. Even if a second Room would cost 5 Million Gil ... many would pay for it. Or give us larger Apartments, like the size of the Crystarium Inn Rooms. Don't know how Yoshi thinks this will work. But one thing I know for sure, in the end we will all be disappointed. If we get a raise from 100 to 150 Items per Apartment and nothing more, then it will be a waste. The Everquest 2 Inn Rooms are nice, maybe Yoshi should think about that option.