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    Quote Originally Posted by Nayukhuut View Post
    If we follow your rules and assume the aether method is unreliable, then we do have a subject that can recall what happened. Venat herself. The Convocation could have easily had someone they trust inspect her memories to see what's up. That plus the physical evidence would have been proof. I highly doubt that Venat and Azem were the only people who could use the Echo to see into the past. I suspect it just wasn't done wholesale in Ancient society because peering into ones memories is quite an invasion of privacy.

    Also, Venat didn't even try to stop Zodiark. She only started really doing anything after he was summoned. She knew she needed him to hold off Meteion.
    To your first point all you're doing is strengthening my original argument which is that the onus isn't just on Venat. Other people could have done more.

    To your second point, sundering is doing something imo.

    I'm ar my post limit so i will summarize several points:

    - It doesn't matter that the WoL doesn't have the memories to be gleaned. My point is that the experience happened in the past so artifacts, locations, observers, aether itself all act as sources to be drawn from. The end. Hyper focusing on the WoL is just a distraction.

    - Regarding what Venat did prior to summoning, she had followers but its not covered a great deal because it doesn't matter. What matters is they failed and sundering was her big gamble in the face of panic and tempering. What's stupid is living in a mostly tempered world permanently.


    - There's zero evidence that the Ancients were able to travel space as far as required, otherwise I'd imagine they have done it and Hermes never would have invented Meteion. In fact we have opposite evidence I've already cited. Simply knowing Meteion and Hermes are the villains isn't enough, period. While Venat telling people would've been cool, it doesn't prove any argument that the final days would have been averted.

    -Also as far as other people investigating-- given the fact other people with memory in tact interacted with us investigating Meteion and Hermes, and given the onset of dynamis discovery, yes it's plausible memories would be investigated even if Venat never said a word.

    - Finally spinning it like Venat could've done X y ans z when this is the finale to a 10 year story that you know very well wasn't written in advance is petty and a waste of time. We are lucky past Hydaelyn and Venat make any kind of sense at all.
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