What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Narnio]

Honestly the best thing about Endwalker is this thread, it's full of bad takes and hilarity.

[Boblawblah]

Speaking of adult things, you know someone really got to you if you're creating a signature just for them.

[BRVV]

Speaking of adult things, you know someone really got to you if you're creating a signature just for them.

The "adult thing" according to most of this forum will probably be to ignore everyone labeled as "trolls" which would very likely include Ren. Avoiding confrontation to stay in your comfort zone is just that, avoidance. I decided to engage yet again and tried to get "lessons learned" out of it. Tried to formulate what Ren does wrong in his posts.

Added: Maybe i shouldn't get too into all of this. Questioning why i bother anyway. How did i get 865 posts on here? Can't remember much information i got from all of those posts. Removed the rules because they were in deed a bit cringe.

[Renathras]

And that post makes him ragequit. Shows how annoying his style of posts is.

Added: all 8 points are things Ren never does. If anything he is a great bad example.

This is known is bait.

It's really odd to me you consider me toxic when I'm trying to be mature and polite by not engaging in tit for tat with you.

But as I told you in yet another thread you're harassing me in: I want to discuss the topic, you want to discuss me. If you can't see the problem with that, I can't help you.

But in general, when a situation gets heated and someone says "Look, this is just a bad situation, I'm going to back out", heckling them and insulting them as they back away is you being the rude and toxic one. It reminds me of that Monty Python skit about "I'm here for an argument".

"Oh I've had enough of this!"
"No you haven't."
"Shut up!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLlv_aZjHXc
"Argument Clinic"

...but you're a good baiter considering I keep replying despite myself. Hm. Guess I should stop.

Speaking of adult things, you know someone really got to you if you're creating a signature just for them.

The weird thing to me is I wasn't even talking to that person. I wasn't talking to anyone in the thread at all in my initial reply, and then was talking to some other people. Then this one comes in and spends the next 2-3 days even going to the healing forum to try to countermand me more there as well, even despite an other discussion going on, derailing that thread. It's...weird.

The latest tactic is to call me a troll over and over again, though not exclusively to that person, despite the fact I've never shown such behavior, try to re-rail the topics that they derail, and actually put thought into my posts instead of just insults, bait to drive engagement, and then more bait to draw people in who are trying to disengage, including insults as they depart. Weird how the people calling me troll are being more trollish...perhaps that's their intent. Wouldn't be the first time, considering Titan went and made an entire impersonation alt.

I honestly don't even know what I do to get so under their skins to live rent free in their heads. It's just weird at this point.

But I'm sticking this all in HB, time to get the thread back on track.

Anyway, in light of that:

I'm seeing a lot more people saying that 6.5 they liked, but collectively, everyone seems to agree that 6.3 and 6.4 were complete lackluster stumbling about.

I hope in the future, they can learn a lesson from this with their patch storytelling and do less of it. Too little development of the villains, too quick resolution, too many "come back in 4 months" "cliffhangers", too much time spent on new emotes in lieu of it, and too little referencing of characters that would make sense for the story (e.g. Unu and Gaia).

[BRVV]

Not taikin' the bait anymore. Sorry guys, you'll have to find a new punching bag. I'm done with that stupidity. I should have wised up to your collective gaslighting far sooner. Shame on me for not doing so. But now that I have, your bait is inert.
(I'd also suggestion you look at 3, 4, 5, and 6 in your signature, BRVV. They're good points you should actually follow yourself, as you aren't in your replies to me here, especially 6.)

This isn't "Look, this is just a bad situation, I'm going to back out". You have now claimed to have said something before that you didn't. It's like you misremember what you wrote. You know i can read older posts of you?

What it is is insulting me and others. Throwing stuff like this out is not reasonably leaving the debate. It's throwing a fit and trying to have the last word without contribution to the discussion. I would also describe this as bait. If you really believe you are innocent and not an aggressor than i honestly have a hard time believing you have friends you can have longer conversations with unless they aggree with you on everything or ignore you.

The HBars and the "sticking to the topic" does not make you better than me. At this point i genuinly just want you to keep insults out of your posts. Otherwise i fear you will get ignored by a growing number of forum users.

[Silverquick]

There's all kinds of things that just... well cringe on it.

Even the latest one, they're going around to the crystal tower in the world of light, trying to "convince" people its ok. When they should have just said from the beginning... we're actually draining some of the light from this world to send it to the world of darkness and hopefully balance both worlds. I don't thing anyone there in the 1st was going to say no to sending all that excess light somewhere else... but no instead its "but but the Warrior of Darkness needs it".

A lot of cheezy and stupid stuff like that, which makes no sense in the context of what's happening or their world.

[Vahlnir]

I don't thing anyone there in the 1st was going to say no to sending all that excess light somewhere else... but no instead its "but but the Warrior of Darkness needs it".

A lot of cheezy and stupid stuff like that, which makes no sense in the context of what's happening or their world.

Yeah. I mean, they've always dealt with the political and moral aspects of certain things, even if it was just running around to get the a-okay from local residents and leaders. But this situation specifically was just needless trekking around for the sake of it. They really wouldn't have cared. lol


Leader A, B, and C:"The Warrior of Darkness needs-"

The citizens: "Cool. Enjoy."

It really was that simple. We didn't even have to be there. Could have sent a messenger and waited a couple hours in our quarters in the Crystarium. Probably eating an also needlessly high res sandwich.

[Nayukhuut]

Didn't she make an attempt....

That cutscene wasn't one for one. It was meant to be a stylised thing. Even then, her forcing her will on them was still wrong since it has been said, even in canon, that her faction was the minority. Imagine nowadays if some fringe group basically said we are doing this, wiped out the entire population, and then set up people that schooled whatever remained in how they should act. That was basically what Venat did. It drives me nuts that the story treats it as okay because the Ancients were apparently beyond saving (because we are constantly told no one is without hope). They had just gone through serious trauma, of course they were not exactly doing well at the time. Venat had no right to decide for an entire population what they should do. Even worse than that, she decided, and then killed everyone.

As for Ancient creations not reaching Meteion... Are we forgetting that Meteion herself was an Ancient creation? I am sure that if the best minds of the time were actually allowed to study the problem they could have come up with something. Sunder themselves purposefully, or make more creations for the purpose of going and fighting her. I dunno. They were never given that choice though. They were never told what was going to happen. Venat just sort of decided her people were not worth saving and genocided he lot of them to make way for new planets full of people she found more palatable led by gods she put there instead of one she apparently didn't like as much.

I would also like to point out that her Sundered worlds also require constant maintenance too. If we do not pray to the Twelve, the stabalising mechanism put in place will fail. So really, saying she is better than Zodiark rings hollow.

Also sorry, I would have quoted you in full but the forum text limits are draconian.

[Theodric]

Also sorry, I would have quoted you in full but the forum text limits are draconian.

On that note, you can get around the text limit if you edit a post after submitting. So you could write up a lengthy post, cut it in half, post the first part and then edit in the rest.

[Nayukhuut]

On that note, you can get around the text limit if you edit a post after submitting. So you could write up a lengthy post, cut it in half, post the first part and then edit in the rest.

Oh, thank you. I wasn't even aware. Usually it is not too much of an issue, and I don't intend on writing novels by any means, but it seems that the default text limit is just set rather low.

Thank you kindly for the tip.