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    Quote Originally Posted by Absimiliard View Post
    The WoL is a fragment of Azem, not a fragment of a different version of themselves from another timeline. The events of Elpis would not be present anywhere in their being if they themselves had not been there. It's as simple as that. "Our" WoL had no involvement with Elpis or its events until the exact moment they went there, not until.[

    The people investigating the Final Days were lacking a significant amount of information as to its true nature. They did not know about Meteion because Venat never told them. They completely misdiagnosed the problem in their ignorance, although they were fortunate enough for Hermes and his contemporaries to wind up arriving at a workable, if temporary solution in the form of Zodiark. Through Zodiark they managed to treat the symptoms even if the cause remained unknown.

    Or were you meaning people in the modern era trying to understand it? If so, then that answer is a lot more simple. Setting aside how rare the Echo actually is, there's a limit on how far back you can look with it. Modern Echo-users, no matter how skilled, would never be able to look far enough back to glean even one iota of useful information about the Final Days.

    "Playing games" with Emet-Selch, as you put it, was a key part of ensuring the timeline she sought would come to pass. It was only through the presence of the Ascians things could play out in a manner necessary for events to unfold as they'd been foretold. And for Venat "bringing others into the fold?" That does not necessarily mean she's told them the truth of it, particularly since we're told outright she never did. She recruited followers, yes, but none of them understood what was really happening.
    So we are going in circles because originally you implied that due to time linearity it is impossible for Emet to view our past, when that isn't true because as you are now acknowledging the events actually happened (it was just Azem not us) meaning Emet and all his contemporaries had myriad observers, artifacts, the Aether itself to call upon to determine Hermes misdeeds but whoops-- it doesn't work bc why?

    As far as Venat didn't tell anyone... Assuming that is literal and true she still gives a motivation for that ie Hermes himself is the issue and WoL has told her the panic fuels the final days.

    So what we have learned from this conversation is that "lol ancients casually viewed the past" is categorically false which is exactly what I was saying. As you are now saying it can't be used to solve all problems, everything hinges on Venat.

    And regarding hinging on Venat I don't see how "Meteion did it" changes anything. Isn't the reason Hermes was sending Her because they couldn't do space travel? Venat was tracking Meteion but that doesn't mean she had direct access. And again how does enabling the villain make things better
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