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    Ren Thras
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    The differences between what is allowed to someone who wants to engage only with a smaller kit when given a larger kit (is almost never seen as griefing, since the optimizations already available even to a simpler job dwarf the differences between the use of those marginal tools) and what is allowed to someone who wants to engage with a larger kit when given only a smaller kit (literally impossible) are night and day, however.
    This highly depends on what it is.

    On SCH, if you never use Dissipation and seldom use Energy Drain, the difference is not so huge that you're grifing your party. On MNK, if you don't engage with the Nadi system at all (e.g. never use Masterful Blitz), you ARE kind of griefing the party and your output difference is significant enough to potentially make beating enrages difficult or impossible for your party.

    Some distinctions are small enough that the outcome is effectively the same, even if not exactly the same. But others are big enough gulfs that they cease to be "optimal" in truth.

    If one accepts that some Jobs like BLM, DRG, AST, etc should exist, then it stands to reason that one should accept the inverse as well.

    To pretend otherwise is beyond disingenuous, as it replaces all concerns of balance and appeal to a general playerbase with a closed set of very limited options that is only appealing to a niche audience which cannot carry a game, and which will still choose to meta/min-max even from a more limited pool of options.
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    Tani Shirai
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
    If one accepts that some Jobs like BLM, DRG, AST, etc should exist, then it stands to reason that one should accept the inverse as well.
    I'm not particularly sure what you're implying connects all these things (the most recent mention was a non-negligible gimmick, but MNK's Nadi itself generates only the difference between a trio of blitzes as Lunar spam (less than 4% of damage), but will the jobs that are to have the "inverse" of whatever quality that is also have the "inverse" of that quality's commensurate output?

    To pretend otherwise is beyond disingenuous, as it replaces all concerns of balance and appeal to a general playerbase with a closed set of very limited options that is only appealing to a niche audience which cannot carry a game, and which will still choose to meta/min-max even from a more limited pool of options.
    Literally More Gameplay/Options: ...
    Renathras: But to min-max, as I was never going to do anyways, I might have to use them, which reduces my options of what not to use!

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    Last edited by Shurrikhan; 10-13-2023 at 02:39 PM.