Let's talk about the upcoming DRG rework...

[ty_taurus]

I myself am not a Dragoon player, but I want to ask you all a question, are you excited about the rework, or are you worried about the rework?

Now, I'm pretty sure I can sus out the answer most people will give, which is why I have a follow-up question. In all fairness, this is a difficult question to answer, because it's about hypotheticals that are hard to visualize, but I'd like to ask you try and give the most honest answer you can.

If the design team had a really successful job rework reputation--that is to say, if the reworks we have seen thus far were widely considered to have made each job better and more fun to play rather than the opposite, do you think your answer would change?

[Aravell]

I'm not a DRG main by any means, but it's been my main melee job since HW.

I do not look forward to the rework at all. The recent reworks have been aimed at reducing fail states and thus reducing a lot of what people enjoy about the jobs. The SMN and PLD reworks were very controversial and I'd wager the MCH rework would also be controversial if MCH had an actual playerbase back then. DRG already flows very well with a modest amount of skill expression, I do not have confidence that they'll add anything interesting and they'll very likely just remove everything interesting about DRG.

As for if my answer would change if the team had a really successful rework streak? No, I still would not want to see a rework. DRG has a really good flow as it is, I get that it's hard to add anything to DRG anymore at this point, but a total rework shouldn't be the first answer they jump to.

[VentVanitas]

Dragoon isn't my main but it's probably the closest thing I have to a second one, it's been the job I've kept close to me ever since Stormblood, it's always the job that I level immediately after getting Monk to cap and it's always been a job I could comfortably return to at any point because of its consistency.

With that being said, I have zero hope for the DRG rework. I really, really hate being pessimistic about such things but seeing as how we have a whole long history of fumbled reworks ever since ShB, I don't have much reason to believe that the DRG rework wasn't postponed because they're taking feedback into account, but rather because they got cold feet after receiving such overwhelmingly negative backlash for the SAM changes and only delayed it so they can still have their own way while packaging it as "new expansion changes."

I don't agree with the "they're doing it to make room for future changes" argument that some people use either, that one's been used for literally every major rework since 5.X and we have yet to actually see that bear fruit for jobs like DRK or MCH. Even if that was the case, I still wouldn't agree with DRG being the first to be reworked.

I really don't know what they even plan on doing which is the worst part, the complete radio silence. They don't share information about reworks until it's already too late for changes to be made. For all we know they could remove Mirage Dive, or turn Chaotic Spring into a boring flat potency cooldown, or remove Wheeling Thrust/Fang and Claw, or change Dragon Sight into something different entirely. Despite how utterly ridiculous these ideas sound, they're all completely possible because of previous reworks and that fills me with dread.

[Tetsujin]

I dread it. DRG hasn't been my main job since HW, I dropped it in SB over what I then considered to be lobotomizing (lmao, how we have fallen) the class and Dragon Sight requiring me to target someone in the team. Frankly, I thought that was ridiculous, I was a DRG, the slower but harder hitting DPS with a strict rotation, not a support role.

That being said, I have always fallen back into playing through PvP, kept it leveled, and out of sheer distaste of what they did to SAM recently. It's okay, nothing close to what it used to be, but I cope with dragon sight with a macro.

So why do I dread it? Every time there is a rework, it's just sanitation. Sanitation and homogenization. It's never done with our best interest at heart, it's done for the sake of the 4 guys on class balance to have an easier time doing their job. The class is turned into a lazy clone of something else or pic related for adults.

I have no reason to believe this will be any different. I don't wish the fate of MCH or SMN or DRK on any class.

Would I be excited if they had a track record of great reworks? Probably, I'm the type of person that doesn't like arbitrary changes, but if it meant a richer class, I might be down.

Still, If it ain't broke don't fix it.

[vetch]

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[Valence]

The only somewhat successful rework they have done recently has been monk in my opinion, in that it flows well, didn't retract from its complexity but rather brought back a lot of it (even if a different one than what it was before with greased lightning). Where it starts being ironic in my opinion is that Monk is still not played a lot. In the meantime, everybody plays SMN and DNC. See the pattern?

That's what makes me absolutely not confident for anymore reworks they could bring, because the ones that are horrible for me are the popular ones.

( I do not main DRG )

[Zairava]

I am filled with nothing but dread. They butchered DRK, streamlined tanking into oblivion, continue doubling down on their insulting healer "philosophy", removing core parts of jobs because reasons, then replace them with nothing. If they do, it's just another boring damage button.

The only good reworks they have put out is the nin 5.1 mini-rework and the monk rework in 6.0, Paladin is controversial at best.

If they had a successful rework reputation I'd be more inclined to be interested in it, not excited by any means because I don't really think much if anything about it needs changing, but I wouldn't be doom and gloom all over. They've given me absolutely zero reason to believe they have the player's interests in mind when designing jobs since ShB launched.

[shayryu]

I'm worried, I don't think I've ever been worried about a ffxiv job like now.
If content is boring I can ignore it, but not really my favorite job.
There are previous jobs that gotten a rework that I ended up liking eventually like summoner and the mini rework of paladin but those were not my mains jobs. (i still miss shb paladin.)

While I do understand that eventually it might be difficult to add something to dragoon, I don't think a full on rework is gonna do the job any good (of course i could be wrong), as of now dragoon flows really well, has some decent action mechanics while still being very straightforward, and I'm afraid that if will lose all of its appeal just for the sake of a rework that (most likely) no one asked for.

[remiff]

It depends on how it's done once again, whether it's at the summoner rework level or only the visual aspect remains, but if all the subtlety of the rotation, resource management, etc.,
disappears, then no job rework is desirable because it's a double-edged sword - either it pleases or it leaves a good portion of a community that liked the previous job itineration sidelined.

This is what they did with the summoner, the job lost all its strategy and management (people play it because it's brainless and mobile),
and even if the job looks very cool, its rotation is brain-dead.

That's why I think you always have to approach a rework carefully because sometimes it's for the better, and people are happy, but it can also be for the worse...

[Kabooa]

That's why I think you always have to approach a rework carefully because sometimes it's for the better, and people are happy, but it can also be for the worse...

It's always both.

You will not please or anger everyone with a class rework.