What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Halivel]

G. We are just gonna have to agree to disagree here, since I do not think she was heroic. I think she was a cowardly ideologue who enforced her will on others. She claimed that mankind should stand on their own, and was angry when people didn't agree with her. She destroyed the world and set up mechanisms to keep her broken world in place because reality actively fights against the unnatural state she put the planet in.

I feel like, ironically enough, the one who apparently was trying to actually be heroic was the current Azem of the time (aka unsundered WoL). We don't know where they were during the last days and what exactly they did, but we know they denied both Convocation and Venat's plans. And judging by what we know about them from the side stories (specifically the one where they went as far as stealing Ifrit concept to save an island from a falling meteor) it's honestly safe to assume that they tried to do something. Obviously, those actions weren't successfull... the question is, what could've been if Venat didn't keep the truth to herself. It's sad to think that there was at least one person with mind creative enough to come up with crazy emergency plans and said person simply wasn't given any chance to fight the root problem in a targeted way.

[Nayukhuut]

I feel like, ironically enough, the one who apparently was trying to actually be heroic was the current Azem of the time (aka unsundered WoL). We don't know where they were during the last days and what exactly they did, but we know they denied both Convocation and Venat's plans. And judging by what we know about them from the side stories (specifically the one where they went as far as stealing Ifrit concept to save an island from a falling meteor) it's honestly safe to assume that they tried to do something. Obviously, those actions weren't successfull... the question is, what could've been if Venat didn't keep the truth to herself. It's sad to think that there was at least one person with mind creative enough to come up with crazy emergency plans and said person simply wasn't given any chance to fight the root problem in a targeted way.

I liked that too. They didn't agree with either plan, and went off to do whatever they wanted to do. Logically I know it is because the writing staff is leaving it vague on purpose, but I appreciate that I can at least pretend Azem was out there trying to save their people until the last second. It's what I would have done in that situation. Heck, it is what I wanted to do at the end of Elpis.

[Halivel]

I liked that too. They didn't agree with either plan, and went off to do whatever they wanted to do. Logically I know it is because the writing staff is leaving it vague on purpose, but I appreciate that I can at least pretend Azem was out there trying to save their people until the last second. It's what I would have done in that situation. Heck, it is what I wanted to do at the end of Elpis.

Same here. My character frankly is pretty angry with Venat's decisions (although MSQ obviously wouldn't allow to show that, but who cares, it's my character, I know what he'd think, say and do in such a situation).

[BRVV]

Same here. My character frankly is pretty angry with Venat's decisions (although MSQ obviously wouldn't allow to show that, but who cares, it's my character, I know what he'd think, say and do in such a situation).

Blink twice if you are forced to aggree with Venat by the shadow Sharlayan government

[Halivel]

Blink twice if you are forced to aggree with Venat by the shadow Sharlayan government

*blinks aggressively*

[Nayukhuut]

Same here. My character frankly is pretty angry with Venat's decisions (although MSQ obviously wouldn't allow to show that, but who cares, it's my character, I know what he'd think, say and do in such a situation).

Agreed. I have basically just internalised that my character is playing nice for appearances sake, but inwardly is set in stone with his resolve to make it so another Venat never comes to pass.

That or I just go with a personal headcannon of us having been Tempered by Venat, since it is the only thing that really makes our outward actions make sense. Game likes to shut that one down, but it would absolutely explain why us and the Scions are okay with Venat doing things we would be horrified to see any other character do.

Blink twice if you are forced to aggree with Venat by the shadow Sharlayan government

Sadly the mask I wear obscures it, but I am indeed blinking twice. :P

Really sad part is that we are basically the shadow government at this point. Way more story beats than I would like have ended with our group saying we can never tell the world because of their own good and this has to be kept a secret.