What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Nayukhuut]

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Sorry, your posts are getting a little long to address entirely. I know you CAN skirt the forum length limits, but I dislike constantly doing so. I will try and respond to a bit.

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A. They create life that has aether, and that aether is what they needed. Again, it's really no different than us harvesting animals and plants for our own end. A thing both Sundered and real life people do.

But yes, it was up to the planet whether it got a soul or not.

B. Why wouldn't they have gone after her? They only came up with Zodiark because they were trying to stop the assault on their world. They had no idea what was causing that assault. There was also zero reason to think they would not have gone after the root cause if they had known.

C. Unclear, but still a chance. Still pretty far from the definite "The Ancients were screwed because of this" argument that tends to go around.

D. We, again, do not know that for sure. They could have easily been meaning to sacrifice things like plants, elementals, animals, etc. We don't know. Beyond that, I would argue that their reverence for life was more than the Sundered have. The Sundered are constantly killing each other for much less.

E. It absolutely did. Venat was the one who showed us how to channel it when we saw the flashback with with Hermes setting off his creations. Our Echo is basically just weaker versions of things a lot of Ancients could already do.

F. I don't even know where to start with this. Talking to traumatised people and being mad they won't listen to you is not an excuse to force your will on them. They fell back on Zodiark because that is all they thought they had. The Ancients were intelligent and scientific. There is no reason to think they wouldn't have gone after the cause of their problems.

As for wanting their world back, why is it bad when they want a return to normalcy, but okay when say, the 13th does? The 13th wants their old world back, but we support Zero and Golbez as they go to try and fix it. Screw the Ancients, though, right?

G. We are just gonna have to agree to disagree here, since I do not think she was heroic. I think she was a cowardly ideologue who enforced her will on others. She claimed that mankind should stand on their own, and was angry when people didn't agree with her. She destroyed the world and set up mechanisms to keep her broken world in place because reality actively fights against the unnatural state she put the planet in.

Venat is not a hero, and she's not a good person. She certainly is only loving if you agree with her. If you don't, well, ahh well. Your life doesn't matter.

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And yes, I am aware I have more faith in the Ancients than Emet did in the end. But please do also remember that all the the Ancients and later the Asians could never have formulated a proper plan because Venat hid the truth from them.