PL Woes

[Zaaku]

You know, I somehow doubt that you tell them "why not looking for a Party instead", and it's more like "U LAZY NOOB GO GET A PARTY NOOB." You know, since you've already proven to us that you're not above calling someone a drunk when they make a mistake, thinking that you have a right to be pissed at people, or thinking that you deserve to not have any inexperienced players in your groups.

Not a mistake. Several. Several big obvious mistakes which no one in a normal state of mind would make. So either he was impaired or incompetent. One of those is much easier to say light heartedly. I never though to imagine that the reason he played like a newbie was because he WAS a newbie who just happened to be capped.

I'm curious, what exactly is your highest level? Your account doesn't show a 50 yet you seem to have great knowledge of how difficult it is to get past 30 and how PLing makes things better. Honestly if you are struggling in game right now I implore you to /shout for a LS and openly tell them that you are having problems. A good many people will take the time to help you out if you are constantly soloing. I don't hate newbies. In fact I find helping beginners to be a load of fun. This attitude of "DON'T YELL AT PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY ARE BAD" just screams like you are the victim of this kind of abuse from others who berate you. Seek assistance and be truthful about it. The right LS will show you the way.

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[Krausus]

I keep seeing people complain about rampant PL and I wonder if you guys are all full 50s, or have actually leveled a class/job lately...Actually it also goes into the argument about lacking content for lvls 1~40.

I am newly returned to the game (after 1.21). I'm up to 41 PLD now and having a freaking blast. I have not once PL'd, and why would I? I can level pretty insanely quickly through normal play (whether that be group grind, solo leves, or whatever).

and it has only taken you about a month to get to 41 not including the 10 levels you had already gained back in october/november so it has taken you almost a month just for 30 levels, wow that's so insanely fast. before you make statements always remember there is a history of your character available to anyone.

[darkstarpoet1]

i'll be glad to answer your post since it is well thought out unlike some of the others in this thread.

I keep seeing people complain about rampant PL and I wonder if you guys are all full 50s, or have actually leveled a class/job lately...Actually it also goes into the argument about lacking content for lvls 1~40.

yes, i am all 50's on my main. i finished capping my last class in november of last year so it's been a while leveling on it. i have leveled some on my alt though and can see a vast difference in the leveling speed, whether it be solo or party. there is a severe lack of content in every level range and not just mid levels.

if you go by pure numbers there's actually more mid level stuff than there is high level stuff even though the game is very top heavy.

I am newly returned to the game (after 1.21). I'm up to 41 PLD now and having a freaking blast. I have not once PL'd, and why would I? I can level pretty insanely quickly through normal play (whether that be group grind, solo leves, or whatever). Furthermore, my leveling experience has been constantly supplemented by Main Scenario, Grand Company, Class and Job quests. I spent a little time early on in Shposhae, and did a few good runs through Toto Rak.

i'm glad to hear you are enjoying your time leveling up. yes, if you enjoy getting into groups and playing with others then the way you are leveling is the way to go. it also helps you perfect learning what role you have in the party and what you are expected to do.

I do agree that there could be a little more dungeon content in the lower ranges, but there's no reason to even bother unless they SLOW DOWN leveling, cause otherwise you will just burn right past it all. Personally I hope they will separate jobs from classes, so like you unlock BRD and then level it up from 1. Hopefully AF weapons will show that they can make weapons unlinked from the base class, which will open up lots of cool possibilities for making that whole system work more smoothly!

the thing about low level content is the same issue with getting low level gear. people blow by it and never have a need for it unless they want to get the little lodestone achievement. there's over 20 pieces of mid level content actually in game now. there's actually less at cap by the numbers.

/ramble off, back to topic...Do you seriously see so many people powerleveling? I've never done it, nobody in my LS does it (I've never even heard them mention it), and in fact I don't think I've ever even seen somebody doing it. Sometimes it's crazy how different perceptions appear in-game as compared to the talk on the official forums.

i'm really suprised to see you don't see that many people power leveling. it is constantly shouted for and people shouting they will pay x amount for it in ud. in one shell i am in it rarely gets mentioned, but the social shell i am in it gets asked for all the time and people will actually get rude towards you if you tell them you don't pl anyone.

[Krausus]

Not a mistake. Several. Several big obvious mistakes which no one in a normal state of mind would make. So either he was impaired or incompetent. One of those is much easier to say light heartedly. I never though to imagine that the reason he played like a newbie was because he WAS a newbie who just happened to be capped.

I'm curious, what exactly is your highest level? Your account doesn't show a 50 yet you seem to have great knowledge of how difficult it is to get past 30 and how PLing makes things better. Honestly if you are struggling in game right now I implore you to /shout for a LS and openly tell them that you are having problems. A good many people will take the time to help you out if you are constantly soloing. I don't hate newbies. In fact I find helping beginners to be a load of fun. This attitude of "DON'T YELL AT PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY ARE BAD" just screams like you are the victim of this kind of abuse from others who berate you. Seek assistance and be truthful about it. The right LS will show you the way.

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regardless of his level it doesn't change the fact that he is right and you are a douche

[darkstarpoet1]

I agree with 3-4 weeks but why do you care so much if someone takes 6-10 hours in a PL party? No one really really learns their class until they start doing end game content anyways and chances are PL or not your gonna run into baddies in PUG groups anyways. I think people put way to much emphasis on how someone levels and not enough on the fact that some people are just bad.

To be honest the only Issue I think you have with it is you leveled to 50 before PLing was available and are pissed because people have an easier time at it then you.

my problem with is it 2 fold.
1. you are partially right. it does upset me that i took a long time grinding and learned my class while leveling up then people can do in a month what took me almost a year and a half to do.

2. the long term of the game worries me. look now at the percentage of people that have all classes to cap. yoshi is already starting to talk about limiting people from bringing up only one craft past 50 due to the pure number of people with all crafts capped. the economy is in ruins due to that same issue. there is no low level gear for the low level players that want to exp the correct way due to the speed of power leveling so nobody makes the gear anymore.

what if yoshi decides that too many people have every battle class to cap so he's going to limit that to one class as well. this game advertised being able to play every class on a single character, but due to the leveling speed increases that yoshi has put in that idea is being gone away from.

i am not a former xi player that played for years. i left the game after trying it for a very short time. i'm not asking for the horrid slow leveling from that game to make a return, but i don't want to see the abby leveling rate either at this point in the games life.

[Wincy]

and it has only taken you about a month to get to 41 not including the 10 levels you had already gained back in october/november so it has taken you almost a month just for 30 levels, wow that's so insanely fast. before you make statements always remember there is a history of your character available to anyone.

I am not sure what you are trying to get at (I mean that sincerely). Are you saying I was wrong to say I level quickly, because it has been almost a month?

Well if you knew me you'd know I have a very casual play schedule. Probably ~ 15 hours/week maximum. So I figure I will cap in what, somewhere around 3 days /played, and that's including all the questing and etc. I think that is plenty quick, although I suppose the terminology is subjective.

Rather I should say, I have leveled "insanely quickly, IMO".

[Wincy]

i'm really suprised to see you don't see that many people power leveling. it is constantly shouted for and people shouting they will pay x amount for it in ud. in one shell i am in it rarely gets mentioned, but the social shell i am in it gets asked for all the time and people will actually get rude towards you if you tell them you don't pl anyone.

Well my shell is very RP friendly, so I suppose it doesn't necessarily lend itself to the more "hardcore", "minmax" or powerlevel kind of crowd. I also am not to the point of endgame content, so I haven't spent a ton of time reading shouts in Ul'dah. I spend as much time in Limsa/La Noscea as I can.

[Zaaku]

regardless of his level it doesn't change the fact that he is right and you are a douche

Excuse the fug me. Let me just get this straight.

Don't like PLing?
Douche
Don't like easy mode?
Douche
Replace someone in PT because they don't have the slightest clue what they are doing?
Douche

So unless I just happily accept how everyone does things and never call out anyone ever no matter how bad or inexperienced they may be I am the bad guy? Tell ya what, if that is the case I am a douche and proud of it. I could have blasted him Party chat and kicked him from groupthat instant. Instead I investigated discreetly. I handled his transport by taking him back to Ul'dahn with me. I didn't scream and bitch about him not telling me about his lack of experience. There wasn't a friendly way I could have handled the situation. Aside form leaving him in PT and going OH WELP I SUPPOSE UR NEW SO IF WE WIPE WATEVES.

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[darkstarpoet1]

Well my shell is very RP friendly, so I suppose it doesn't necessarily lend itself to the more "hardcore", "minmax" or powerlevel kind of crowd. I also am not to the point of endgame content, so I haven't spent a ton of time reading shouts in Ul'dah. I spend as much time in Limsa/La Noscea as I can.

understood there. i'm usually there only because i am crafting and working towards my luminary tools during the day because our ls runs events in the evenings.

[Conradus]

Dumb people is dumb, they exists whether PL'd or not.

But if people don't get PL'd, then the dumb people will not be dumb people with lvl 50 characters with AF.