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    If they made healing requirement harder --> it would clense out the dps-healers
    and we would actually get ppl decent/good at the role in our duties. ^o^
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeastria View Post
    If they made healing requirement harder --> it would clense out the dps-healers
    and we would actually get ppl decent/good at the role in our duties. ^o^
    Might work if the sylphies weren’t also coincidentally the worst healers as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Might work if the sylphies weren’t also coincidentally the worst healers as well
    I'll never forget a little experiment I did back in Heavensward. If my co-healer didn't turn on Cleric Stance within 20-30 seconds, I left them to solo heal the entire fight. A few exceptions were if I got paired with a new healer or it became clear they simply couldn't handle it. I didn't want to outright cause a wipe if I could step in and save the run.

    The sheer amount of "sylphies" who were utterly clueless at how to actually heal was staggering. And this wasn't in Savage or even EX. Just normal mode Creator, 24 mans and the like. I had one person mouth off in chat, "Cassandra in her PvP gear just wants to DPS" after they ran out of MP (remember when that was a thing?) in the first phase of A12N because they literally spammed Medica II for everything. Fortunately, the DRK in that party called them out. Even nowadays, some eight years later and I get the "healer mains" upset I'm not healing enough. Had a healer in P11S ask if I'm "barsing" after she, the White Mage died to the raid just before everyone runs north. First, I had my oGCDs up and nobody else died. Secondly... when I looked at the logs, I noticed Assize was drifted all over the place. Guess what would have been up where she died if she pressed it properly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeastria View Post
    If they made healing requirement harder --> it would clense out the dps-healers
    and we would actually get ppl decent/good at the role in our duties. ^o^
    As much as I hate the word, this is pure and utter copium. I’ve raided alongside some of the absolute best healers in the EU over the years. All of them could put out huge damage numbers and I’m pretty confident you’d consider them a ‘DPS-healer’ with your train of thought. But I also guarantee every single one of them could merrily bail a raid out of trouble in a pinch (and they routinely did if I dropped the ball).

    A good healer is good, a bad healer is bad. Being good at DPSing doesn’t automatically make a healer bad, it also just as likely means they simply have a good understanding of the fight, their kit and their cool-down timing.
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    Last edited by Sebazy; 09-05-2023 at 08:15 PM. Reason: Typos++
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeastria View Post
    If they made healing requirement harder --> it would clense out the dps-healers
    and we would actually get ppl decent/good at the role in our duties. ^o^
    How would this improve the experience for healers once their item level is high enough to ignore mechanics or for MSQ/solo content? All this would accomplish is increasing queue times since fewer people would want to be held responsible for healing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conchoidal View Post
    How would this improve the experience for healers once their item level is high enough to ignore mechanics or for MSQ/solo content? All this would accomplish is increasing queue times since fewer people would want to be held responsible for healing.
    Easy fix:

    It should be % based
    meaning even w better gear you should still take same amount of dmg..
    also it should be more unavoidable damage and dots during fights ^^

    If you can't press your heal buttons..
    then i see no point why you should be playing healer in first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeastria View Post
    Easy fix:

    It should be % based
    meaning even w better gear you should still take same amount of dmg..
    also it should be more unavoidable damage and dots during fights ^^

    If you can't press your heal buttons..
    then i see no point why you should be playing healer in first place.
    Please just stop. What you propose has debunked 10000000 times ever since ARR (and even though there were more sources of damage back then). With its gcd and encounter design this game is NOT made for -reactive- heal bots. Stop with this bs that seemingly only comes from clueless people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeastria View Post
    If they made healing requirement harder --> it would clense out the dps-healers
    and we would actually get ppl decent/good at the role in our duties. ^o^
    No one wants to be a heal slave. You're free to go play MapleStory and Ragnarok Online if you want. Everyone wants to contribute to damage in meaningful ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithron View Post
    No one wants to be a heal slave. You're free to go play MapleStory and Ragnarok Online if you want. Everyone wants to contribute to damage in meaningful ways.
    In fairness, I disagree there. There are indeed a pretty substantial number of people who would prefer to actually be able to play the healbot. It’s just this game doesn’t really support that at any level in its current form.

    IMO the compromise is buffing. But SE are too afraid/incapable of investing the time needed to get it right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebazy View Post
    In fairness, I disagree there. There are indeed a pretty substantial number of people who would prefer to actually be able to play the healbot. It’s just this game doesn’t really support that at any level in its current form.

    IMO the compromise is buffing. But SE are too afraid/incapable of investing the time needed to get it right.
    No, they only think they do. Then when they get it, they'll realize the fatigue and boredom (especially in non-relevant content) and quickly realize how wrong they were then beg to revert. Not to mention how the players willing to heal would drop that much more and waiting for healers would be obscenely longer.
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