A new tactic for the dissatisfied

[RosaliaDLB]

The clam wasn't "70% drop in steam players".

The claim was "this game's population dropped 70% since 6.0".

Provide data showing THE GAME'S TOTAL POPULATION dropped 70% since 6.0.

It lost about 50% (tiny bit more actually but not that much) of the game population yes, not 70%, 70% is if you look at the peak players.

Also I really dont care about "yes but its steam nya nya nya nya",steam is a good sample, I had this discussion in the past with people already, I aint doing that again. Take it or not, not my problem, I provided numbers that are a good sample, period.

[Bonoki]

It lost about 50% (tiny bit more actually but not that much) of the game population yes, not 70%, 70% is if you look at the peak players.

Also I really dont care about "yes but its steam nya nya nya nya",steam is a good sample, I had this discussion in the past with people already, I aint doing that again. Take it or not, not my problem, I provided numbers that are a good sample, period.

I to like to lie with statistics. It's a very good book.

[RosaliaDLB]

I to like to lie with statistics. It's a very good book.

I'm very sorry to learn that you are unable to count 95102 - 35044 and to see what's left, same for 53729 - 21072

But get better soon, best wishes

[Renathras]

It lost about 50% (tiny bit more actually but not that much) of the game population yes, not 70%, 70% is if you look at the peak players.

The total playerbase, not just Steam players?

Okay, got a link/statistic to prove that?

That ALL players dropped 50%, not just Steam players? (And as I recall from that discussion you had before, I actually used the statistics to prove you wrong, showing that the number of players at the same point in a given expansion shows EW growing, not shrinking, compared to ShB, using the Steam numbers:

[RosaliaDLB]

The total playerbase, not just Steam players?

Okay, got a link/statistic to prove that?

That ALL players dropped 50%, not just Steam players? (And as I recall from that discussion you had before, I actually used the statistics to prove you wrong, showing that the number of players at the same point in a given expansion shows EW growing, not shrinking, compared to ShB, using the Steam numbers:

I didnt know 35000 was bigger than 95000, well you learn every day I guess

[Renathras]

Why would steam players behave differently than non-steam players?

its not about steam players being different its about the sample size, steam isn't even 10% of the player base to say that a 60% lose of steam players = how it works with overall with the player base.

Partly this.

Steam players are also generally more diverse than just the MMO or JRPG markets. That is, different likes and different preferences We also have no evidence that steam players do not behave differently than the playerbase as a whole, but we DO know that the majority of the playerbase doesn't use Steam. Which means the Steam numbers likely aren't predictive. Further:

I didnt know 35000 was bigger than 95000, well you learn every day I guess

This is what bad statistics takes look like, and explains why you're wrong so much.

You're comparing to 23k, not to 95k. That's your problem and what you don't understand.

EVERY MMO, without exception, has an inflation of players when expansions release that then declines into their steady state amount. Endwalker's steady state is ~30% higher than ShB's was using the Steam numbers. That would indicate growth, not decline.

Where you'd use the 95k number to compare to, if you're going to do so, would be the month Dawntrail releases.

You know this, because I explained it to you before. This is where that whole "if you read my posts instead of snarking off about them" thing comes in. I wouldn't have to make the point to you over and over and over again, with you being wrong over and over and over again while feigning "I don't understand why people would say..." over and over and over again if you'd just read and listen the first time.

[Saraide]

Partly this.

Steam players are also generally more diverse than just the MMO or JRPG markets. That is, different likes and different preferences

Source please

[Renathras]

Source please

Still waiting on the source that the playerbase as a whole has dropped 70%.

I can provide the source for the above as soon as that source is provided.

[Saraide]

Still waiting on the source that the playerbase as a whole has dropped 70%.

I can provide the source for the above as soon as that source is provided.

So you just claim steam player base behaves very differently without source, got it.

[Saraide]

The total playerbase, not just Steam players?

Okay, got a link/statistic to prove that?

That ALL players dropped 50%, not just Steam players?

Why would steam players behave differently than non-steam players?