At this point will FFXIV collapse if all mods and third party tools disappear?

[Renathras]

Like I said, I didn't know that there was another usage for that word, and I was factually incorrect. It happens and I admit when it does. But Renathras is the same guy who has spent a month refusing to admit that he was clearly wrong. It's fair game for him to point out that I'm wrong, and it's fair game to be a little smug about it, but he's being a hypocrite by giving the little speech at the end.

I admit when I'm wrong, but as I told you in that other thread and have before, you fell for a lie there. Someday I'll find the thread and the exact quote to show you I wasn't wrong about slidecasting. The issue was I was talking about the entire window of movement. I can even show you what part of the post Titanmen cut out if I find it again.

...but I didn't point out you being wrong on this. And I'm not smug about it. I don't like rubbing people's noses in being wrong, since that just increases the likelihood they will be more stubborn in the future and less likely to be rational or mature when they are wrong about things. I do like clearing things up, which is why I explained the difference between qual and quant, and linked to the idiom since it's kind of...it's own thing. I also learned the difference between cuando and cuanto in Spanish since it follows the same thing; how much vs how many I thought was cool, and it's one of those ways understanding words and roots and stuff can be useful. I know you dislike my post length, but I just...like words. I do apologize for being longwinded too much, though.

So it wasn't "giving a little speech". I just thought the distinction was cool and relevant, and specifically pointing out the idiom, since the idiom ("known quantity") is actually its own thing. That is, it wasn't the scientific use that was the issue. I figured maybe you had just never heard of the idiom before and wanted to share it with you. There was no judgment, smugness, or speech involved.

Not everyone knows everything, and I like both learning things and sharing knowledge with people.

bro PLEASE you tried to school someone on slidecasting and got owned by 10 different people

You mean when I posted this?

You have about 0.5 sec on a 2.5 sec cast. This is highly latency dependent and also results from the communication between sever and client. Try to slidecast with a Slipstream. You can, but you're very likely going to clip your GCD to do so. If you don't care, that's fine, you can do that. But that's what I'm referring to. You can get some motion, but you're cutting into your next CD with longer casts.

It is a pretty minimal DPS loss, so if you want to eat it, there's really nothing wrong with that.

I can get ~1 yalm on BLM after a Blizzard 3 cast from the time my emote lights up (allowing slidecast) until the GCD is finished and I can startcasting the next Blizzard 3. On the other hand, I can get around 7 on WHM after Glare (1.5 sec), or around 4 after Medica (2 sec).

Wait...what's that?

"on BLM after a Blizzard 3 cast from the time my emote lights up (allowing slidecast)"

WHAT'S THAT!?!?

I actually said that BLM can, in fact, SLIDECAST!? I even used the WORD slidecast for that!?

Slidecasting is when the cast time of an action is less than the GCD, allowing you free movement from (actually just before, but this is latency dependent) the cast ends until the GCD has completed and you can begin casting your following spell. All spells with cast times tend to have around a 0.5 sec window (again, depending on latency) to do this in. Spells with a cast time longer than the GCD don't typically allow much room for movement before the GCD can be activated for the next spell (High Fire/Blizzard have 3 sec cast times, for example, Fire 4 has a 2.8 sec cast time, and SMN's Slipstream has a 3.0; also RDM's Thunder/Aero if you're playing extremely poorly or your latency keeps failing to register your Dualcast buff), resulting in clipping. BLM main spells take up the entire GCD, leading to them having a very narrow slidecast window vs WHM's 1.5s casts, which allow for move movement. Even if we're talking Cure 2 and Medica, WHM still has a bigger slidecasting window than BLM's very much smaller one.

Both Jobs don't handle long movements with slidecasts, though, they handle them with instant casts or a lot of stutter-stepping prepositioning, and in BLM's case, its various instant cast tools and Aetherial Manipulation.

Note that ALL the parts in Bold, Titanmen/Koros removed from his quote of me that he put in his signature and started several threads about. I'm sick and tired of proving him wrong again and again and again on this.

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LET THE RECORD SHOW:

Ren has said BLM can slidecast.
Ren said BACK THEN that BLM could slidecast.
Ren said in the first post discussing it that BLM could slidecast.
Ren says today that BLM can slidecast.

The actual point of contention was that I considered the entire movement window in the discussion - since the discussion was about whether or not Jobs (healers) with cast time spells would be viable in current encounter design - and I was pointing out that this is a thing they could manage to do if the Devs wanted it.

A discussion that was completely unpended because half a dozen people were spurred on by a greater desire to attack me than to engage in the actual discussion, and which Titanmen/Koros tried to start threads and get the entire forum to attack me over, which got him a ban because it was THAT unhinged and harassment.

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Regardless, "open minded" isn't the term for that anyway. Open minded means being open to new ideas, not being rigid with the definition of a term. Strictly speaking, it doesn't even mean admitting one is wrong, it simply means being open to alternatives or new possibilities, even on things a person was agnostic or neutral on before.

Also, AwesomeJr, there's your proof. If you care to see it, anyway.

It's one thing if you want to dredge up old laundry. But it's not even my laundry in this case. If you REALLY want to associate yourself with the likes of Koros...I mean, feel free, I guess.

[Koros]

mfw proof, that's not a proof that's a fox news opinion piece

here's a very straightforward proof you're lying.

06-12-2023 02:45 PM

Note that BLM spells take up (or exceed) the 2.5 sec standard GCD, so it CANNOT slidecast and MUST use other tools or instants to allow for movemen

06-12-2023 02:50 PM

you're joking, right? do you know what slidecasting is or how it works?

06-12-2023 08:25 PM

You have about 0.5 sec on a 2.5 sec cast. This is highly latency dependent and also results from the communication between sever and client. Try to slidecast with a Slipstream. You can, but you're very likely going to clip your GCD to do so. If you don't care, that's fine, you can do that. But that's what I'm referring to. You can get some motion, but you're cutting into your next CD with longer casts.

literally who are you trying to fool

So which is it now?

[AwesomeJr44]

Evidence?

This is more evidence than you've bothered to post in the past month combined, and it's not exactly helping your case. Quotes on the forums have links to their original threads, and things don't look great for you with the rest of the context there.

literally who are you trying to fool

Apparently he was trying to fool me. I gave Renathras a fair shot. I reviewed the evidence he gave, opening the thread, and took a look at the context. Nothing there makes him look any better. If there was actual proof that he was right there, I might have even considered apologizing (might, because he's been obnoxious for a month), but I don't see what he's trying to show me.

If you REALLY want to associate yourself with the likes of Koros...I mean, feel free, I guess.

Let me get this straight here. I am not associated with Koros or any of his accounts. I am not associated with Stormpeaks. Being like-minded with another person does not equate to association. If I disagree with Koros or Stormpeaks on something, I can and have in the past made that known. I have told Koros (specifically on his TheNight account) to chill in the past when he was ragging on people who were actually being genuinely positive. I have told Stormpeaks that they had L takes in the past. I have only ever run into Titanmen twice in-game and that's all the interaction I've ever had with either him or Stormpeaks outside of the forums.

What me, Koros, and Stormpeaks seem to be in agreement over is that you were wrong and that you've been an annoyance ever since. You were wrong, and you've been hyper-agressive ever since. I wasn't even involved in this whole debacle until you came into a thread and started being incredibly hostile to me for no reason. So if anyone is to blame for me being involved in this, it's you. You dragged me into your little tantrum, and then got mad because I swung back.

[Renathras]

Okay, I give up. I don't care anymore.

EDIT since I don't want to waste another post on this nonsense:

If you want to know what I'm trying to get you to see, just ask. You didn't ask me for evidence any over the past month. If you had I would have tried to find that thread to show you. In a last ditch hope that you DO want to be fair:

What I was trying to get you to see was all the times I mentioned that you can slidecast with full GCDs. I think the issue was, as came out later in the thread (MUCH later) that I was using the term to describe the entire window you can move in, not just the small bit of latency, and how much movement you can practically achieve with them (why I mentioned approximate distances). Something another poster even pointed out:

I feel that people sometimes confuses slidecasting with moving during the alloted time for your oGCDs. A BLM can move in both situations, second one is easier because you don't have that 'invisible gauge' to get a hang of.

Which reminds me, Squeenix could really implement a QoL feature like the WoW addon that shows the slidecast window in your castbar, depending on your latency.

Titanmen doesn't care about that, because he wants to be a bully.

If you DO care about that, and look at what was being discussed and why that was relevant, then I hope you do so.

If you don't, then...I guess do you. But at that point you aren't giving me a fair shot, and I won't try convincing you further since, at that point, the truth will simply be you don't want to see an argument that would change your position on me. So in that case, there's no point in me wasting pages of words to try and convince you of something that you will never believe, no matter how many quotes or evidence can be presented.

So if you don't actually care, then no one can convince you otherwise, so I'll save you the annoyance and not try.

EDIT3:

So if anyone is to blame for me being involved in this, it's you. You dragged me into your little tantrum, and then got mad because I swung back.

You can't use something that happened today to justify you doing this for over a month...PRIOR TO today... <_<

EDIT2:

Thank. God.

Go take some chill pills.

/sigh

...aaaaand that's what I thought.

Then this is the bargain struck: I won't bother you with it, you don't mention the lie.

[AwesomeJr44]

Okay, I give up. I don't care anymore.

Thank. God.

Go take some chill pills.

[Koros]

rofl NO ONE brought up the slidecast meme until he brought it up out of nowhere, guy literally asks to be dogpiled on

[AwesomeJr44]

You can't use something that happened today to justify you doing this for over a month...PRIOR TO today... <_<

Dude, so far you have done the following:

1) Came into a thread about a month(?) ago and you instantly were aggressive to me even though I had no idea who you were.

2) Came into multiple threads since then, being hyper aggressive to both me and other people. (not Koros/Stormpeaks)

3) You were asked to stop writing fluff-filled essays with unnecessary paragraphs for every post on multiple occasions and you have continued to.

4) Keeping this 'drama' alive by continuing to enter threads whining about it when no one was talking about it.

5) Whining about people in this thread not adhering to your false idea of neutrality because they wouldn't call out the people you wanted them to.

Thus I told you to grow up and fix the very apparent chip on your shoulder. Look, I don't give a damn whether you think you were right or wrong, please go take a chill pill. You've been in desperate need of one for a long while.

You want this to end? Let it go.

If it was just the incident that occurred a month ago, it would have been over and dead by now. You keep trying to make this nonsense relevant again by whining about it and then crying when we don't let you throw pity parties and police others in peace.

Just let it go and let it be done dude.

[Renathras]

rofl NO ONE brought up the slidecast meme until he brought it up out of nowhere, guy literally asks to be dogpiled on

...?

I was actually talking about the thread Renault posted about trying to turn over a new leaf you brigaded him in.

If it was just the incident that occurred a month ago, it would have been over and dead by now. You keep trying to make this nonsense relevant again by whining about it

Genuine question, because I really do want to understand you:

How is mentioning that a person who some people tacitly support shouldn't be supported because they did bad things to people (not just me) "whining"?

[Aword3213]

Almost no one is playing the game because of the game. They are playing it because of what the community has created.

whoa, speaking like a true statistician

you're talking to an actual statistician.

[CStrife912]

I am wondering how many Xbox players will dive into this.. especially with the expanded free trial. I’m not sure they would pop up on the metrics cause they aim for the endgame players don’t they or I could be wrong? They need to just create better tools for RMT tracking and banning and have better forum vetting processes then we would be curbing some of this trolling from this very sad individual.

I’m not really sure what mods I’d want put into the game cause I don’t really look into those aspects as a PS5 player (steam deck on the go) I just see a QoL and be like oh that’s nice oh that was a mod ah that’s cool lol.