At this point will FFXIV collapse if all mods and third party tools disappear?

[WickedSensei]

I would say that it's because they're so hardcore that they end up looking for add-ons that make things more comfortable for them.
A true casual wouldn't give a damn, because what do they care if they can't see or do something that they should probably see? They'll hopefully do or see it anyway, eventually.

I've personally never cared if people use them or not as you said, it doesn't affect me mostly.

My comment was mostly in response to the "the game would die without add-ons, as most people use them"

I wish the game had in game voice chat though as I would do Savage and harder content more often but as of now when I've tried I've been forced to download discord to participate.

I have heard that WOW got to a point where you can't do most content without third-party tools I don't really want FF to get to that point.

But I'd adjust either way.

[Kes13a]

I have heard that WOW got to a point where you can't do most content without third-party tools I don't really want FF to get to that point.

WoW was at that point almost from the start. this was not for raiding or anything but to make the UI usable. could you play without them? kinda, but it was more agonizing even for just being casual about it. thats what made this game much nicer to play, because mods are not a necessity to play

here, I only know of a handful of people that use mods. their screenshots that they think are of course wonderful, I dont feel enhance the game at all (in some cases downright hideous) but everyone has a different taste I imagine.

[MistakeNot]

What kind of people are playing the game long-term?

How many people use ReShade? How many people use mods? We can now say that a significant portion of this game's playerbase are only here because of the mods, which allow them to fix the game's issues, like Viera hats, or for more, shall we say, mature activities. And what about more advanced mods that synchronize your modded appearance? Or poses that depict characters in... suggestive poses with others?

What about raiders? What even drives people to do reclear after reclear once they get BiS? FFLogs and going for high percentiles. And most of the game's clunky systems and opaque mechanics like the damage formula could not have been figured out without the aid of third party tools. The openers and rotations that you copied from the Balance are partially the product of ToS-violating third party tools.

Even many non-raiders depend on ToS-violating third party tools to fix this game's atrocious systems, such as being able to double-weave without clipping, or to be able to block out a persistent stalker completely from the screen.

Even third party tools that are not ToS-violating:

Crafters and gatherers depend on having Teamcraft and simulators to create rotations and macros + set up crafting lists, then share their macros through Discord.

BA and DRS depend on Discord to coordinate runs. Even Savage and Ultimate depend a lot on Discord especially if you want to get an early clear.

Achievement hunters compete on leaderboards like lalachievements.

I ask you: If all these fixes and features that the community developed disappear, with not one iota of help from the game developers, will the game even survive? To who do we owe our gratitude really? The community creators or the actual devs?

The game did quite well before any mods had been developed.
Everyone who plays on a console - and they are a significant chunk of the players - manage just fine without being able to use any mods.

Should all mods somehow cease functioning all at once - which is unlikely in the extreme to ever happen - then I am sure there would be a noticable drop in players, but I am also sure the game would survive handily.

[CelestiCer]

Removal/Deny of any and all third-party-tools would just hurt Square's wallets as they would lose subscribers. We'd need something a lot more larger to happen as Mods are bit more subtle as you can't really know who is using them or not unless you're friends or share... Something that would affect everyone's desire to play or effects the gameplay directly regardless. Think...

• Company Scandals
• Heavy P2W features like lootboxes implemented
• NFT implications on Mogstation
• Heavy Job imbalances or broken interactions causing outrages
• Consistent disconnect/lag issues for long periods
• Subscription cost increased heavily
• Large exploitation practices, think duplication glitch
• Dev's leaving or god forbid? passing away.

And most of what's on this list is not applicable to FFXIV or the Dev's and its creator. No matter how many flaws FFXIV currently has and we could name up or throw plenty at the Forum threads, it's not going to die by removal of third party tools and mods, mhm.

[CStrife912]

I mean EW patches have put in a lot of QoL and we don't even know what 7.0 QoL will bring either which could make the game even better for particular players. They still have a way to go but they're getting through it slowly but surely and implementing things people hadn't even thought of and are thankful for. The problem is it wouldn't matter how many mods get implemented, more will come about of it because the people downloading QoL mods actually go a step further then QoL...yeah there is improving systems to be more intuitive and modern but some just go so far as the game to play itself (not saying this game so much at the moment but definitely in other games)

I love how console players just continue to crack on with it all and its always the PC players holding up the pitchforks in these situations. I bet half the console players don't even go to the forums or reddit or discord, I remember when crossplay in other games wasn't a thing and then games like Call of Duty brought it in and everyone was like yeahh!! can play with my PC friends etc and now its like shit leave us alone we want to just play with console cause PC is a cheating/hack fest lol.

Also I'm not sure why the lead troller here has a weird boner for the erp community or thinking everyone left playing this game is only doing erp....that is such a weird hill to die on.

[Shinkuno]

Removal/Deny of any and all third-party-tools would just hurt Square's wallets as they would lose subscribers. We'd need something a lot more larger to happen as Mods are bit more subtle as you can't really know who is using them or not unless you're friends or share... Something that would affect everyone's desire to play or effects the gameplay directly regardless. Think...

• Company Scandals
• Heavy P2W features like lootboxes implemented
• NFT implications on Mogstation
• Heavy Job imbalances or broken interactions causing outrages
• Consistent disconnect/lag issues for long periods
• Subscription cost increased heavily
• Large exploitation practices, think duplication glitch
• Dev's leaving or god forbid? passing away.

And most of what's on this list is not applicable to FFXIV or the Dev's and its creator. No matter how many flaws FFXIV currently has and we could name up or throw plenty at the Forum threads, it's not going to die by removal of third party tools and mods, mhm.

Why are y'all pretending Square isnt a company like any other? They have skeletons in the closet just like any other company, some already exposed some still hidden probably. The reality is people dont really care about a company unless it lines up with their opinion about the product

People dont enjoy ubisoft collect-a-tons so Ubisoft = bad, they burnt out from playing WoW for 15 years so Blizzard = bad. They dont really care what goes on inside the company until they stop enjoying the product. Thats why noone cared that during KH3 development there was some issues with sexual harassment. Thats why noone of the playerbase cares that Square is heavily doubling down their NFT investment when every other (gaming) company is already pulling out. Thats why noone cares that Square is investing the money from FF14 into p2w gacha mobile games that they shut down within a year after they milked the whales. All that will not matter until the people stop enjoying the game, then Square will be the worst company ever to those people.

What about you being an RMT player that masquerades on the forums as a doomsayer and troll? Plus talking about 3rd party tools and mods is against ToS on the forums.

If anything it just shows how little they care about ToS breaching as long as it lines up their pockets. RMT = Sub money, Modders = Sub money

[Naraku_Diabolos]

What kind of people are playing the game long-term?

How many people use ReShade? How many people use mods? We can now say that a significant portion of this game's playerbase are only here because of the mods, which allow them to fix the game's issues, like Viera hats, or for more, shall we say, mature activities. And what about more advanced mods that synchronize your modded appearance? Or poses that depict characters in... suggestive poses with others?

What about raiders? What even drives people to do reclear after reclear once they get BiS? FFLogs and going for high percentiles. And most of the game's clunky systems and opaque mechanics like the damage formula could not have been figured out without the aid of third party tools. The openers and rotations that you copied from the Balance are partially the product of ToS-violating third party tools.

Even many non-raiders depend on ToS-violating third party tools to fix this game's atrocious systems, such as being able to double-weave without clipping, or to be able to block out a persistent stalker completely from the screen.

Even third party tools that are not ToS-violating:

Crafters and gatherers depend on having Teamcraft and simulators to create rotations and macros + set up crafting lists, then share their macros through Discord.

BA and DRS depend on Discord to coordinate runs. Even Savage and Ultimate depend a lot on Discord especially if you want to get an early clear.

Achievement hunters compete on leaderboards like lalachievements.

I ask you: If all these fixes and features that the community developed disappear, with not one iota of help from the game developers, will the game even survive? To who do we owe our gratitude really? The community creators or the actual devs?

What about you being an RMT player that masquerades on the forums as a doomsayer and troll? Plus talking about 3rd party tools and mods is against ToS on the forums.

[TheNight]

The game did quite well before any mods had been developed.
Everyone who plays on a console - and they are a significant chunk of the players - manage just fine without being able to use any mods.

Should all mods somehow cease functioning all at once - which is unlikely in the extreme to ever happen - then I am sure there would be a noticable drop in players, but I am also sure the game would survive handily.

It's not just mods. It's also the community created resources. Who will keep playing the game if all FF14 Discords disappeared suddenly? Almost no one is playing the game because of the game. They are playing it because of what the community has created. Just think of content like Baldesion Arsenal. Almost no one would ever do it if the Discord dies. Or Savage. No one would do it if there are no guides. We owe far more gratitude to the community than to the developers.

[Kes13a]

It's not just mods. It's also the community created resources. Who will keep playing the game if all FF14 Discords disappeared suddenly? Almost no one is playing the game because of the game. They are playing it because of what the community has created. Just think of content like Baldesion Arsenal. Almost no one would ever do it if the Discord dies. Or Savage. No one would do it if there are no guides. We owe far more gratitude to the community than to the developers.

nope, I think you are wrong. people play the game because of the game, and thats how a community forms. the community did not create the game.

[Renathras]

nope, I think you are wrong. people play the game because of the game, and thats how a community forms. the community did not create the game.

Agreed.

As hard as this is for some people to believe for whatever reason, a ton of people genuinely just...like the game. They enjoy playing it. Those people are probably going to keep playing it unless mods make it unplayable, which is unlikely. Mods being removed wouldn't affect a lot of people. And of those it affected, many of them would keep playing it, they just might be bummed about losing their mods. Like I was bummed about not having an Exploration Zone this expansion. Yet here I am, still playing the game and still finding things I enjoy in it.