Yoshi P in a nutshell

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But you might talk about healers with someone more qualified, even though I like playing healers in games, FFXIV ruined my interest in them.

Yeah I honestly don't think there's anything to talk about regarding the status of healers, I feel like we're on the same page! I used to main WHM and now I don't even want to play it.

Is spamming Shinten enjoyment? Is that how low the standards have fallen?

Haha, I mean I can't answer that question, as I don't really enjoy Samurai myself. But from interacting with all manner of players, I'd be really surprised if some people didn't find that enjoyable. What's fun for one person isn't fun for another. Some people want more complexity for their rotation because they find it rewarding or exciting, some people want less complexity for their rotation because they find it pointless or overwhelming. Neither perspective is more right than the other, it's all just people. I've been on both sides of that at different times. Some people lament the loss of old SMN, and while I am compassionate for their loss, I love new SMN. Meanwhile, I lament the loss of the aerial Hraesvaelgr dungeon fight. You win some, you lose some.

What kind of magnitude of feedback are they really expecting? SAMs definitely seem the loudest right now (when speaking about individual job feedback), but if this is not enough, then what? Do we need to manufacture drama, because that's only thing we know works?

I think we're more on the same page on this than you think: we both agree that there's some magnitude of feedback that should be required for a change to happen. It sounds like you likely disagree with Yoshi-P on what that magnitude is, and that's a fair thing to disagree on; but what you both agree on is that that line is drawn somewhere. And I think that having a difference of opinion regarding where to draw that line is significantly different than not caring. As the saying goes, "never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity".

Out of curiosity, what magnitude are we talking about here? The thread you posted had 20 Likes, but I'm assuming that isn't the primary Kaiten thread. How many Likes did the primary thread have?

Don't we deserve at least a response?

With respect, I would say that none of us are ever owed a response from a game developer. It's nice when we do get one, and good PR for the company, but I don't think it's owed. In addition, it seems like Yoshi-P already did give a response: that they'd look at feedback and consider that going forward. The fact that they haven't rolled it back after so long seems like the period at the end of that sentence.