I was almost in the mood to play FF14 again

[Deo14]

Wow, why does this not surprise me?
(It does seem to be a thing where those wanting Kaiten back irrationally respond to any post that isn't in full agreement and don't brook any disagreement and look for any way possible to discredit someone pointing out they are not a 100% complete and unanimous majority...)

I didn't say no one anywhere else than here was complaining about Kaiten. I said the view is not universal.

Universal means 100% agreement with no disagreement. The only thing, literally the only thing, I'm harping on here is the insistence that it is universal.

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If you're going to offer a rebuttal - and insult a person - at least get their argument right, otherwise you're rebutting a straw man, not an argument. And ad hominem isn't relevant. Me not playing SAM has no relevance to my ability to read internet forums and see a non-unanimous position isn't unanimous.

EDIT: Hell, even in the first thread you linked on Reddit, the OP lists several complaints that I pointed out, an several of the responses are LITERALLY making the arguments I presented - that people miss the animation, that some people don't mind the removal they just wanted something to replace it, etc.

At least read your own sources that disprove you and support my position.

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I get it's easy to be super emotional about Kaiten. That doesn't mean you can or should insult or attack people, nor that you should ignore facts and reality.

The MAJORITY seem to want Kaiten back - did I say otherwise?

But it's not unanimous, and there are more than one reason, and there are well thought out counters to it having been removed. /end

Could you start engaging discussions with actual arguments, instead of moving goalposts wherever you desire with stuff like ""Akshually, I meant that 100% of people doesn't agree with it". Didn't we already clarified in the healer thread that it is given that no community ever 100% agrees with anything?

But who am I kidding, you don't have any arguments, you don't even have SAM leveled after all, what's the point of your input in this matter?

And most importantly, where are the links to your theory crafters' opinion you spoke of? I was hoping to get some good chuckle from reading that. Could you at least once give source to have some credibility? You still didn't give me that data about that 1-2M/2-4M players from a month ago, after I went through all the trouble giving all the links and sources to you.

So please, link me those "well thought out counters to it having been removed" you speak of.

Hm, interesting reads about Kaiten... With that being said, where you all think that SAM will grow towards in DT?

Even without Kaiten, or thinking about it without the idea of what it used to do (since I didn't experience it), SAM's flow feels quite complete. Is there anything to be added without causing actual bloat?

I don't have big hopes, after all both 2 additions of active skills in EW were bloat (Shoha 2 and Ogi). It will be probably some QoL. EW gave us 2nd Meikyo stack, which made freestyle SAM legitimate playstyle, so my fear is that next in the line of QoL changes are instacasted Iaijutsu, and I'm getting disgusted just thinking about that. After that, fancy skill at capstone, animation upgrade and another active skill, hopefully something that has low CD and uses Kenki, so the Shinten spam stops.