A question for SCH mains and enjoyers

[Renathras]

I like how you went out of your way to explain my stance for me (crudely) but failed to add in that I am entirely in support of reworking a healer to appeal to players who do not want to DPS as healers. You didn't feel like that was an important aspect of my stance to share with the class? I wonder why.

Did I misrepresent your position?

Do you support one healer going forward COMPLETELY unchanged?

I didn't mention there DPS buttons, did I? "said all Healers must be changed, not even one can remain", opposed the idea of adding a new healer with the current paradigm", "not like the idea of there being a healer...that doesn't exist in the changed/more complex state"? As you told me recently, you support changing AST to buffing, non-damage gameplay, but that it must be changed into a more complex state as well, and that no healer should remain in the current state. You cited your work as a game developer (though didn't tell me the game; I'm not the type to doxx or harass anyone, I was just genuinely curious to see a new game I might not have heard of - or might have - I think it's cool you work on game design).

You wonder why? Because I was summarizing a half dozen people's views in an already long post, and you wanting to change AST to be more complex but as a buffer is still you not wanting any healers left as they are. The effort by you is specifically as you say "to appeal to players who do not want to DPS as healers", but NOT to appeal to players that want a healer Job to remain AS IT IS TODAY. You've explicitly told me you don't want any to, and think that would be garbage design. I think I got you to once, in exasperation, say "Fine, do that, we'll watch the healer Job you like fail" (to extremely loosely paraphrase), but you haven't restated that position since nor shown an openness to it.

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Your position is that all Healers must be changed and none can remain exactly as they are today, yes?

You oppose the idea of any new Healers being added that are as the ones today (e.g. if we took WHM, pushed copy then paste, and just changed the spell names and FVX)?

That's what I represented as your stance. It seems I represented it correctly. I'm not sure the problem here. You oppose any healers being left as they are today. Snow was asking if anyone opposed just leaving 1 healer as it is today. You are in that camp of people, hence I mentioned you as such. I'm confused why you think that's a problem?

[ty_taurus]

Did I misrepresent your position?

Do you support one healer going forward COMPLETELY unchanged?

Yes, actually. Particularly the "he seemed not to like the idea of there being a healer Job that might have an aesthetic he'd like to play that doesn't exist in the changed/more complex state)." statement which is not true. I'm not really interested in White Mage, it's just that the current paradigm is a failure and is not worth saving in any regard. There is a way to redesign each healer to ensure that each healer actually has room to engage with the combat system while still having one be very forgiving and easy to pick up for any new or learning healer, still be straightforward in how it approaches healing and damage, all while moving away from mash the filler button until the button disintegrates into a pile of powdered plastic system.

Its your stance of "One healer cannot change in any way, shape, or form at all because I won't like it" that is inflexible. Also I added a personalized second White Mage job in the post above just for you. You could play White Mage (Classic) and have your one-button-fits-all playstyle while everyone else plays regular White Mage: WHM vs WMC.