SAM is dead

[Keichi]

I played the days as a Samurai again.
I dont think, he is dead. And to kaiten did i not have much of a opinion (it was simply a 1 attack buff, without extra effect).

But, it feeled like, that the Samurai is missing something.

And, what it feels to is, that he need better distance attacks.
I noticed yesterday, that the basic aoe attack had some distance in the lower lvl. But, the skill evolved to a aoe without distance in the higher lvl. That feels bad. The only distance attacks, he has now, are Finisher attacks. In that point is he similary to the monk.

[CelestiCer]

I played the days as a Samurai again.
I dont think, he is dead. And to kaiten did i not have much of a opinion (it was simply a 1 attack buff, without extra effect).

But, it feeled like, that the Samurai is missing something.

Just FYI, you're responding to quite a old thread from " 08-23-2022 " after Patch 6.1 release on " 4-12-2022 " when Hissatsu: Kaiten got removed.

" Something being dead " is often used figuratively, as current SAM clearly functions well enough to clear all content. SAM's activity after it's gameplay got reduced to a singular braincell, with the buffs received due to TOP performances, made even more players flock to it. So statistically its not dead no, its pretty active.

" But figuratively speaking ", the old SAM is dead.

• Hissatsu: Seigan deleted and moved to PvP as Hissatsu: Chiten
• Hissatsu: Kaiten is removed
• Tenka Goken no longer a Cone
• Hissatsu: Senei is shared with Guren
• Hissatsu: Senei Kenki cost reduced from 50 to 25

All so many stupid PvE changes that did not improve gameplay, made it feel bland all to replace the Old with the New-Samurai which has the identity of basically spamming Shinten. Whenever I think of this Samurai? I just think of the short-video where the guy puts every shape into the Square hole... cause it's dumb. Like you said, it makes it feel like Samurai is missing something... Couldn't be Kaiten amirite ( Give it back... ) So in a sense? for many players, what they used to love the Old-Samurai pre 6.1 = Dead

Samurai however does not lack Distance attacks. We have Enpi with or without the Enhanced and our Iaijutsu is essentially a half ranged attack now after the buffs. Include Ogi Namikiri? and we're essentially adopting the definition of fake ranged... After how Square has pissed and mocked all over melee uptime in Endwalker, the last thing we need is more ranged attacks... at that point? just play a Ranged job. Mhm.

[Eorzean_username]

" But figuratively speaking ", the old SAM is dead.

• Hissatsu: Seigan deleted and moved to PvP as Hissatsu: Chiten
• Hissatsu: Kaiten is removed
• Tenka Goken no longer a Cone
• Hissatsu: Senei is shared with Guren
• Hissatsu: Senei Kenki cost reduced from 50 to 25

All so many stupid PvE changes that did not improve gameplay, made it feel bland all to replace the Old with the New-Samurai which has the identity of basically spamming Shinten.

Could you elaborate on the bolded ones?

Chiten feels more like Third Eye glued to PvE WAR Vengeance, and I'm not sure what you mean by "Senei shared with Guren".

[CelestiCer]

Could you elaborate on the bolded ones?

Chiten feels more like Third Eye glued to PvE WAR Vengeance, and I'm not sure what you mean by "Senei shared with Guren".

My post was about the changes before 6.1 Samurai changes, but I'll elaborate

Going back to " Shadowbringers " and Third Eye was still linked to Hissatsu: Seigan at Level 66 giving the fantasy feel of blocking damage and counterattacking with damage. They essentially removed Seigan from PvE SAM and shoved it onto PVP SAM, renaming it Hissatsu: Chiten as it reduces damage like Third Eye and reflects damage which mirrors the concept of Seigan's counterattack, only in a auto-playing manner.

Hissatsu: Guren back in " Stormblood " was not a shared skill, until the introduction of Hissatsu: Senei which didn't improve anything. Then later on reducing its Kenki cost by half. Combine that with Kaiten removal? and our resource management truly becomes... negative braincell activity with brainless Shinten spamming. It also show cases another button that came into our skill-kit that could have been removed over Kaiten or just never been introduced... and were not even at Shoha I and II yet, mhm...

[Eorzean_username]

Going back to " Shadowbringers " and Third Eye was still linked to Hissatsu: Seigan at Level 66 giving the fantasy feel of blocking damage and counterattacking with damage. They essentially removed Seigan from PvE SAM and shoved it onto PVP SAM, renaming it Hissatsu: Chiten as it reduces damage like Third Eye and reflects damage which mirrors the concept of Seigan's counterattack, only in a auto-playing manner.

Alright, I understand what you're saying now.

I personally think that's stretching the logic a bit, but I can see where you're coming from conceptually.

Hissatsu: Guren back in " Stormblood " was not a shared skill, until the introduction of Hissatsu: Senei which didn't improve anything.

Oooooh okay, now I understand what you mean.

I was wracking my brain trying to figure out if I'd had a stroke or something, because I couldn't remember a time that Senei and Guren didn't share a CD.

But now I get what you're saying — Senei was just Guren but split into 2 buttons depending on target count, so it actually added ~nothing to the rotation other than some keybloat disguised as a cool new gift. And then everyone gobbled it up because, admittedly, it looked really cool.

Then later on reducing its Kenki cost by half.

Yeah I still don't understand this one.

I've tried to figure out their goal here and it feels like the Pepe Silvia meme.

Like I cannot honestly think of ever having a conversation with any Samurai player, of any skill level, who expressed difficulty pooling the 50 Kenki for Senei/Guren, especially after Hagakure got morphed into Ikishoten.

Combine that with Kaiten removal? and our resource management truly becomes... negative braincell activity with brainless Shinten spamming.

Yeah I get what you're saying now — you're constructing a map of how cascading changes slowly trivialised Kenki as a resource consideration more and more, culminating in the current nadir that it's reached.

Makes sense, I don't really disagree with any of it. My only major point of divergence is that I don't think Kenki was ever very well-designed and needed serious help as a resource from Day Zero, but I agree that its current state is atrocious by comparison.

[CelestiCer]

Yeah I still don't understand this one.

I've tried to figure out their goal here and it feels like the Pepe Silvia meme.

Like I cannot honestly think of ever having a conversation with any Samurai player, of any skill level, who expressed difficulty pooling the 50 Kenki for Senei/Guren, especially after Hagakure got morphed into Ikishoten.

" Explanation Kenki reduction change of Senei/Guren "

You want to cast Senei within Raidbuffs, which is not directly immediately after you use Ikishoten in your opener. This is not difficult... It's about the balancing act, that you're trying to pool as much as kenki as you can into your burst phase and raidbuffs... This is all made extra thoughtless after the 6.1 changes of Senei costing 25 and deletion of 20 Kaiten. The balancing act while still there to max out DPS for raidbuffs? is nowhere near as nuanced as it used to be as it is just spamming Shintens.

Like " Shurrikhan " mentioned here in " the comprehensive Kaiten thread ", our spenders used to be 10, 15, 20, 25, and 50 Kenki. Now its just spamming 25's i.e Shinten.

Based on your other posts? clearly you can read an up-to-date skill-kit. Yet you sound like the most inexperienced player on Samurai topics. Analyzing a Job's rotation and skills? is not to be compared to executing one properly... and nothing tells me that you have experience with Samurai at all. Genuinely makes me wonder what interests you so much to posts so many reponses on Samurai threads, mhm...