How can we reopen the FF14 subreddit?

[GTK0HLK]

Work on migrating to literally any other platform or create a new platform. The resources are there and it's inevitable anyways.

It's like the people that are hosting this blackout don't realize why they're holding it. If Reddit doesn't change their mind about the API from what I know the site will just die. There would be no point in continuing because apparently even auto-moderation tools won't be there. And guess what? The CEO isn't going to change his mind. The only way he learns is when his site dies. You can either stay on that site which is a sinking ship and try to protest or you can do something that's actually productive.

As far as myself and anyone else is concerned you're putting an awful lot of work in for nothing when you could be working towards an actual solution that's not going to bother anyone.

The thing is though, you basically described that which has existed through out history.

Explained by people more eloquent than we are.

Regardless of intent, it's basicly sit on knees than die on feet kind of thing.
[When it should be live on feet, than die on knees]

The reason people can't move, is cause there is no other Mainstream alternative that exists for it. If it was the two respectable streaming platform + the two questionable streaming platforms. people have choices when one of them fucks up. <But it ain't that great between them either unless people cause shifts.>

"Protests" don't do things unless it actively does discomfort that cannot be denied.
<even if they try to turn you against each other. you only need to keep the pressure til it snaps>
[if they replaced every single. moderator there, it only needs the new one to be the exact same. The inverted "new boss, same as the old". Instead of the Community vs itself.]

In the end, I'm only supportive of this, cause it gives reason/pushes for information to be posted in a simple, easy solution in other locations, rather than the lazy(join our discord or else IS, no info Twitter, etc.) options.
When there is alot that can be used, that is ease of use, Yet are not.

Also let it be remembered, the fact people are letting the CEO call moderators "Landed Gentry" who aren't even paid, or actually put in instead of getting out<in the majority>.
Yet those two words seems to be doing damn well to get people against each other.

[NekoMataMata]

The thing is though, you basically described that which has existed through out history.

Explained by people more eloquent than we are.

Regardless of intent, it's basicly sit on knees than die on feet kind of thing.
[When it should be live on feet, than die on knees]

The reason people can't move, is cause there is no other Mainstream alternative that exists for it. If it was the two respectable streaming platform + the two questionable streaming platforms. people have choices when one of them fucks up. <But it ain't that great between them either unless people cause shifts.>

"Protests" don't do things unless it actively does discomfort that cannot be denied.
<even if they try to turn you against each other. you only need to keep the pressure til it snaps>
[if they replaced every single. moderator there, it only needs the new one to be the exact same. The inverted "new boss, same as the old". Instead of the Community vs itself.

In the end, I'm only supportive of this, cause it gives reason/pushes for information to be posted in a simple, easy solution in other locations, rather than the lazy(join our discord or else IS, no info Twitter, etc.) options.
When there is alot that can be used, that is ease of use, Yet are not.

Also let it be remembered, the fact people are letting the CEO call moderators "Landed Gentry" who aren't even paid, or actually put in instead of getting out<in the majority>.
Yet those two words seems to be doing damn well to get people against each other.

Then it's time to build a new platform.

The current group of moderators probably doesn't want that though. Let's be honest with ourselves, while this situation sucks and it's mostly Reddit's fault as company, sub reddit moderators are taking it out on the userbase themselves.

Besides that, migrating could potentially ruin plenty of subreddit moderators. There's a chance their communities won't have nearly as big of a following. They'd have less power to flex.

No. It's much easier for them to butt heads against the CEO and try to change things back on the platform where they still have some semblance of power while holding the entire userbase hostage. The discomfort that protests are supposed to cause is not supposed to be aimed at the common person but at the people causing the discomfort. It's true that historically there has been collateral damage in a lot of protests but can we ever deny that's anything more than tyranny of the majority? Either way, we live in a modern world and we're capable of creating better solutions to these problems. You just choose not to.

[Saraide]

Then it's time to build a new platform.

The current group of moderators probably doesn't want that though. Let's be honest with ourselves, while this situation sucks and it's mostly Reddit's fault as company, sub reddit moderators are taking it out on the userbase themselves.

Besides that, migrating could potentially ruin plenty of subreddit moderators. There's a chance their communities won't have nearly as big of a following. They'd have less power to flex.

No. It's much easier for them to butt heads against the CEO and try to change things back on the platform where they still have some semblance of power while holding the entire userbase hostage. The discomfort that protests are supposed to cause is not supposed to be aimed at the common person but at the people causing the discomfort. It's true that historically there has been collateral damage in a lot of protests but can we ever deny that's anything more than tyranny of the majority? Either way, we live in a modern world and we're capable of creating better solutions to these problems. You just choose not to.

How do you think reddit makes money?

[NekoMataMata]

How do you think reddit makes money?

So? There are alternatives. Even if no one wanted to hold a full scale migration that information could have been transferred elsewhere for the blackouts. It would have been pretty simple to export a large amount of it and link it in the notification that alerts you to the fact that the subreddit is currently a private community.


Do you know what we call people that restrict or destroy information? We call them suppressors. The current subreddit moderators that persist with this blackout are restricting and suppressing the information on their respective subreddits and have earned themselves a place among history along those who burn books and libraries.

[Boblawblah]

The current subreddit moderators that persist with this blackout are restricting and suppressing the information on their respective subreddits and have earned themselves a place among history along those who burn books and libraries.

Humanity is so effed.

[NekoMataMata]

Humanity is so effed.

You seem to have your own set of rules that you expect others to follow, yet you don't always adhere to them yourself.

You selectively support certain corporations while considering others to be against your principles despite all of them sharing the same general practices.

While you call out others for making snide and sarcastic comments, you often engage in such behavior yourself, especially when you can't seem to come up with anything valid to say in response.

Are you anything but a hypocrite at this point?

[Boblawblah]

You seem to have your own set of rules that you expect others to follow, yet you don't always adhere to them yourself.

You selectively support certain corporations while considering others to be against your principles despite all of them sharing the same general practices.

If you look through my post history you'll find that I've never suggested supporting SE blindly. I've always said that people should DO something instead of complaining constantly while supporting the corporation. Paying for 5 subs while constantly belittling anyone that says something positive about the game? Hell yea I'll call that out. Anyday. Without apology.

Reddit mods are DOING SOMETHING. They're not just sitting there supporting the CEO while saying "we don't like this..but shrug, guess there's nothing we can do". I applaud someone actually following what they say.

As for snide/sarcastic comments, I'm totally a hypocrite lol. I felt your comment was so nonsensical that I couldn't help myself. I apologize though, I could have said that in a nicer way. That part is on me for sure.

[ZephyrMenodora]

You seem to have your own set of rules that you expect others to follow, yet you don't always adhere to them yourself.

You selectively support certain corporations while considering others to be against your principles despite all of them sharing the same general practices.

While you call out others for making snide and sarcastic comments, you often engage in such behavior yourself, especially when you can't seem to come up with anything valid to say in response.

Are you anything but a hypocrite at this point?

I still like Boblawblah even if we have some disagreement here. I think this is probably a situation where Reddit did something that really crossed a boundary for her, and while other large companies often do things that are not consumer friendly (even SE does a lot of this...thank you $42 whale mount and a housing system that removes your home if you don't sub for 2 months...), it may not feel as immediately off-putting as this might.

I have been agreeing with your general sentiment here though. Competition for reddit would be a good thing so they step up their game. I am afraid if they remove tools mods use the website will suffer and I won't even want to go there at all if it degenerates too much. But I think that should be my choice and not someone else's to just block me from using the website.

[Saraide]

So? There are alternatives. Even if no one wanted to hold a full scale migration that information could have been transferred elsewhere for the blackouts. It would have been pretty simple to export a large amount of it and link it in the notification that alerts you to the fact that the subreddit is currently a private community.


Do you know what we call people that restrict or destroy information? We call them suppressors. The current subreddit moderators that persist with this blackout are restricting and suppressing the information on their respective subreddits and have earned themselves a place among history along those who burn books and libraries.

Yea why didnt you host all the information yourself then. Would have been so easy, right? This centralization of internet platforms has only happened because people like you are too lazy to host everything yourself and arent result of compounding complexities. What alternative platforms exist that a full on migration could have worked for (for which you would have again cried about inconvenience)?

The second paragraph is just deranged lmao. You could not have found a worse comparison. GG

[Iscah]

Do you know what we call people that restrict or destroy information? We call them suppressors. The current subreddit moderators that persist with this blackout are restricting and suppressing the information on their respective subreddits and have earned themselves a place among history along those who burn books and libraries.

That's only the case if their end goal is restricting the information forever.

Their actual goal is to cause a temporary inconvenience so in the long term the information stays up.