How can we reopen the FF14 subreddit?

[Shinkuno]

What do you imagine would be a way that doesnt inconvenience users and still hurts the company?

Well for one: this one didnt hurt the company either. And Reddit would have ALWAYS axed any current mods and replaced them before it hurt their bottom line. Did the power hungry internet janitors really think they can force Reddits hand? Like sorry but thats just being delusional.

I have little sympathy for people that simply accept the status quo and accept any and all efforts by corporations to make their product less consumer friendly, and profit MORE off of the work of others. Keep it locked down I say. Force the CEO to dump all those moderators and see how reddit functions without them. If it holds up, hey, fair enough, but I don't think it'll be that simple.

Really rich coming from someone always making fun of people criticizing the game and defending SE.

[Saraide]

Well for one: this one didnt hurt the company either. And Reddit would have ALWAYS axed any current mods and replaced them before it hurt their bottom line. Did the power hungry internet janitors really think they can force Reddits hand? Like sorry but thats just being delusional.




Really rich coming from someone always making fun of people criticizing the game and defending SE.

They could have but they shot themselves in the foot by preemptively announcing an end date for the blackout. Reddit just needed to weather the storm for 2 days and most of the reddits already came back. They had power but they chose to not use it enough.

[NekoMataMata]

What do you imagine would be a way that doesnt inconvenience users and still hurts the company?

Work on migrating to literally any other platform or create a new platform. The resources are there and it's inevitable anyways.

It's like the people that are hosting this blackout don't realize why they're holding it. If Reddit doesn't change their mind about the API from what I know the site will just die. There would be no point in continuing because apparently even auto-moderation tools won't be there. And guess what? The CEO isn't going to change his mind. The only way he learns is when his site dies. You can either stay on that site which is a sinking ship and try to protest or you can do something that's actually productive.

As far as myself and anyone else is concerned you're putting an awful lot of work in for nothing when you could be working towards an actual solution that's not going to bother anyone.

[kaizokuj]

Isn't the blackout pretty selfish too? They had multiple options they could have worked on that wouldn't inconvenience others. Reddit has a large amount of useful data on it and right now that data is being held hostage.

When are people going to learn that dragging others into their protests by forcefully inconveniencing them is not going to make them want to support them but rather go against them instead?

A protest that doesn't inconvenience people will never achieve anything, as there is no incentive FOR it to achieve it. What you think MORALS is gonna make a convenient protest work? If morals were a factor, they wouldn't be needing to protest to begin with, grow up.

[Ransu]

A protest that doesn't inconvenience people will never achieve anything, as there is no incentive FOR it to achieve it. What you think MORALS is gonna make a convenient protest work? If morals were a factor, they wouldn't be needing to protest to begin with, grow up.

Doing something that inconveniences others will not make them be on your side.

Also, the reddit protest is beyond idiotic. Its a bunch of freeloaders who don't realize all these API tools utilize reddits resources which costs them money. The days of all these free services on the internet are coming to an end because just like twitter, reddit was never a profitable business.

[PredatoryCatgirl]

A protest that doesn't inconvenience people will never achieve anything, as there is no incentive FOR it to achieve it. What you think MORALS is gonna make a convenient protest work? If morals were a factor, they wouldn't be needing to protest to begin with, grow up.

We've already seen this backfire. Protests that blocked highways created negative sentiment for those protesting, not sympathy for their cause. Yes, I understand what they're going for. I don't care. They're taking their beef with Reddit out on users. This harms the common user more than Reddit. You need to inconvenience the people with the power to change something, and they have no way to do that, so they're just throwing a tantrum until they get their way.

You're removing the resource because they won't let you run it your way? Fine, I'll find a different resource. And I'll keep using it even when yours comes back up, because you've just shown me you're not reliable. Touch grass Reddit mods.

[Eorzean_username]

Doing something that inconveniences others will not make them be on your side.

Yeah that's why nearly all change throughout human history has been accomplished by just asking nicely to the people in power.

Utterly mindless sort of take.

Humans by and large don't care about lofty ideals, they care about what personally benefits their tiny microbial pinhead-sized droplet of day-to-day existence.

If you say, "You should do this, or there will be deleterious long-term consequences", they might at best nod solemnly, if they don't ignore you or throw a tantrum... but deep down inside, they're still wondering, "Okay — but how does it affect me, personally, right now?"

The only way that you accomplish any serious change is with serious pushback; "peaceful protests" are usually just cute photo-ops that people in power absolutely love because it makes everyone feel like they did something without actually requiring anything whatsoever to happen in response.

Then those protests get mythologized and painted as "heroic" by the people who write history, because power structures in human societies would really, reeeeeeeeeeally prefer that everyone view "peaceful resistance" as the ideological ideal, since it means that they don't have to actually do anything, and that anyone upset will throw their tantrum without actually affecting the status quo.

Also, the reddit protest is beyond idiotic. Its a bunch of freeloaders who don't realize all these API tools utilize reddits resources which costs them money.

Completely and totally fails to understand the actual details or nuance of the situation, and basically just eagerly-gargles the twisted PR spew that Steve Huffman is marketing to mentally-vulnerable people who don't bother thinking beyond what a single interview claims as fact... like the recorded Apollo App phone conversation that disproves many of the things that Huffman is claiming publicly.

And "freeloaders"? Really?

Reddit is a corporation whose near-entirety of "product" is volunteers creating and fetching content from somewhere else, and then posting it for free in order to be validated by imaginary approval... while other volunteers act as the understaffed guards in an overcrowded Ecuadorian penitentiary.

Reddit is the freeloader — they have nearly no actual product; it's basically nothing but putting out a plinth, and letting other people exhibit their discoveries and creations.

And it's not even a good plinth; it's a dark-pattern infested plinth that's been steadily degrading in quality for a decade as it attempts to squeeze more and more data and control out of its captured audience.

Now, they're ready to publicly offer up their crappy plinth to investors, and desperately trying to stamp out anything that might blemish how much those investors are willing to offer for it — hence the move to drive users out of superiorly-designed 3rd party apps and off the Reddit website, and funnel them all into Reddit's low-quality proprietary app, where they have absolute control over data, advertising, and monetization (of displaying other people's content).

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Every single time you go, "Oof, I cannot endure the pain of an interruption to my compulsively-conditioned daily app habits", you contribute that much more to the — to drop this month's newest overused, yet accurate, buzzword — "enshittification of the Internet".

And when the Internet ends up as yet another version of the corporate-controlled dystopia trope that every sci-fi future always depicts, the human inability to endure inconveniencing itself for 5 seconds is going to be the true root cause.

Corporations and businesses and leadership can invent all kinds of schemes to squeeze, exploit, and degrade the quality of nearly anything in the name of pleasing investors.

But ultimately, they only succeed at it because so many people are unable to say "No" to their comforts and habits long enough to actually scare anyone, and thus, smug controllers can handily rely on their mountains of psychological data telling them: "Don't worry, the masses will begin to go into withdrawal, and start turning on and attacking the protesters attempting to achieve change, long before they ever successfully take a stand on anything. Do whatever you want."

And if that doesn't work — have no fear, Congress will use arcane laws to force you back to work anyway, and then sell it as "tough but necessary" heroism... because once again, the common man has mercifully escaped the dire threat of inconvenience.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

We've already seen this backfire. Protests that blocked highways created negative sentiment for those protesting, not sympathy for their cause. Yes, I understand what they're going for. I don't care. They're taking their beef with Reddit out on users. This harms the common user more than Reddit. You need to inconvenience the people with the power to change something, and they have no way to do that, so they're just throwing a tantrum until they get their way.

You're removing the resource because they won't let you run it your way? Fine, I'll find a different resource. And I'll keep using it even when yours comes back up, because you've just shown me you're not reliable. Touch grass Reddit mods.

They asked the community first. Overwhelmingly was in support. Of course, if you don't use reddit, you probably didn't answer.



and @Ransu The strike isn't against monetization of the API, the APP creators are willing to pay. Reddit priced them out of competition, thats the issue. They made the costs so exorbitant that no one can pay. Someone did the math and Reddit just took their yearly revenue and divided it by number of total Monthly users. It comes to a cost of $0.12 per user, and they are charging $2.50 per user for the API calls.

[AutoWhit]

When are people going to learn that dragging others into their protests by forcefully inconveniencing them is not going to make them want to support them but rather go against them instead?

THIS.....on so many levels.

Honestly tho, I'm curious if you can still access it during the blackout (I do actually support it). It's set to private, so does that mean I have to ask someone's permission to view it?

[Anonemoose]

The official Discord doesn't want to hear dissent and kicked a bunch of people who don't agree with the blackout and mute you if you disagree. The blackout vote is brigaded since it's open to everyone and pro-blackout Redditors vote continue on every blackout vote against the wishes of FF14 players who use the subreddit.

I'm at a loss here and I miss being able to post on the subreddit and it seems like the blackout will just continue forever. It's a huge blow to the community for the mods to continue the blackout indefinitely even when spez doesn't care so the blackout only hurts the community without giving us anything in return. Other social media platforms just aren't really the same as Reddit.

Anyone have any idea how we can reopen the subreddit? I've been thinking of finding some people together to request to mod a private sub as it's against the Reddit rules.

Sorry if this post violates forum guidelines but there's nowhere else to talk since the subreddit mods censored everything (they banned a lot of people on the discord)

I think the internet would be a better place without Reddit and I hope the entire website collapses. But hopes and dreams are free and that's very unlikely to happen. My own personal biases aside, I think it's admirable and respectable that people are taking a stand for what they believe in, even if I don't agree with them. I feel the same way when the eco-terrorists glue themselves in a canoe onto the highway during peak hour. Yes it's annoying and inconvenient, but at least they're putting themselves out there for a cause greater than themselves because of their convictions which is more than most people would ever do. Apparently, that includes you, who would go even further and gladly throw people who have worked for years to build that community under the bus for the sake of your own convenience.