"You pull, you tank" is a bad mentality

[Harriks]

I swear you are all just trolling. I've only met a few DPS who tried to pull. Every single one died very fast and stopped trying to pull that shit again

[FudoMyoo]

Nope! It's not, "you pull, you tank"

Tanking since 2013.

[Delis]

I suggest you redo the hall of the novice. Especially the tank part where new tank players get told how to pull. Guess who doesn't get told to pull? DPS

It was also implemented before the changes to aggro happened. It does not matter who pulls anymore. We can grab aggro with one button press.

[Miracle_Diva]

I suggest you redo the hall of the novice. Especially the tank part where new tank players get told how to pull. Guess who doesn't get told to pull? DPS

I suggest you learn that aggro can be taken with a single aoe button press. Guess who's not doing their job by being petty? Tanks don't get to decide who lives and who dies.

[Deceptus]

I suggest you learn that aggro can be taken with a single aoe button press. Guess who's not doing their job by being petty? Tanks don't get to decide who lives and who dies.

Yes aggro is taken in a single button, but on my pulls my aggro list is generally full so I might not see that one that a DPS decided to ST burst instead of aoe.

And then proceeded to NOT bring them into my aoe kill zone. They didn't take an ounce of effort so why should I?

[Ravenblade1979]

in the end, while this mentality is not good. there is reasons behind it. first being the player just toxic and wants stuff done at their pace or not at all. i mean, i get that. i remember being a new tank at one time and pulling my speed till i was more confident. while i didn't appreciate people running ahead to pull, i still took the adds and laughed as they zoomed by apologizing. like it happens. However, theres way more to this. Tanks i feel have to read their party dynamic. the good ones will be able to spot the nuances of your party, like healer new, or doing low healing, dps might be low as well. so having to read a room, a tank will know how to adjust themself and if a player goes ahead and pulls more mobs when theres a obvious stuggle going on. you can't convey that. its take the adds and hope for the best but theres some tanks who do have this thought process. again toxic yes but on the flipside, what if they seen something in the party dynamic that big bill lala there doesn't even care about and just wants to speed run their dungeon.

thats the other thing. dungeons are treated like speed runs these days. everyone needs to remember we still got actual new players or people trying classes for the first time who might not be comfortable in the role. again, not arguing its not a toxic thought process but theres just reasons behind everything.

[Ravenblade1979]

Just going to remind people here that wiping is absolutely fine. Mess ups happen. Players are not robots.
What is not fine is being petty, not being able to compromise, letting someone die on purpose (because I as a healer can play this game too, I will focus on healing dps, because tank is busy playing "uwu dps dared to pull before me, his/her majesty", and I will let it slide once, but if you continue playing this bs, I will let you die while healing dps and then since you refuse to do your job on purpose, which is tanking, you will have to find another group because you're not staying in mine). The entire party sets up the pace, not just someone in particular.
Also, tank's job is to soak up damage, not pull ( unless it's raids ). Pulling can be done by anyone.
Better make space for teamplay, because no one has time for your ego play.

you know, you had me on board, even letting your equally toxic "i will let you die while healing dps" thing. that was until i read the very stupid statement "Also, tank's job is to soak up damage, not pull ( unless it's raids). Pulling can be done by anyone".

that is very stupid and its apparent you never played tank once in the time you played ffxiv. tanks primary job is to not only pull the mobs in but to gain all their aggro and soak up damage while their team does their thing. like their kits all have skills meant to pull, aoe aggro etc. I can let the last sentence slide because yes, anyone can but its not their actual role too. healers heal, dps boot stomp, tanks PULL.

the mentality of anyone can just perpetuates the speed running mentality. which is a huge problem. like if you don't got the time don't queue. you need to expect any and all types of players and adjust accordingly. I also see you brought up raids. raids are a different set of content within the game. the mentality talked about here is seen in dungeons, not raid content.

[Miracle_Diva]

you know, you had me on board, even letting your equally toxic "i will let you die while healing dps" thing. that was until i read the very stupid statement "Also, tank's job is to soak up damage, not pull ( unless it's raids). Pulling can be done by anyone".

that is very stupid and its apparent you never played tank once in the time you played ffxiv. tanks primary job is to not only pull the mobs in but to gain all their aggro and soak up damage while their team does their thing. like their kits all have skills meant to pull, aoe aggro etc. I can let the last sentence slide because yes, anyone can but its not their actual role too. healers heal, dps boot stomp, tanks PULL.

the mentality of anyone can just perpetuates the speed running mentality. which is a huge problem. like if you don't got the time don't queue. you need to expect any and all types of players and adjust accordingly. I also see you brought up raids. raids are a different set of content within the game. the mentality talked about here is seen in dungeons, not raid content.

You clearly didn't read my entire post, but keep up assuming things you don't know about me.
Also, what is "speedrunning mentality"?
Some people don't have a lot of free time to play the game, by your logic does that mean they shouldn't play it at all?

[Ravenblade1979]

You clearly didn't read my entire post, but keep up assuming things you don't know about me.
Also, what is "speedrunning mentality"?
Some people don't have a lot of free time to play the game, by your logic does that mean they shouldn't play it at all?

I have to ask. if said person with little free time plays, are they maximizing their free time by subjecting a party to a chaotic run? each party dynamic is different and its apparent when you enter the dungeon.

i will say this. i don't think you know how to tank properly. tanks pull, aggro and soak damage in all levels of content. that is their primary job. this "anyone can pull" mentality brings about speedrunner mentality. those people gotta go like sonic on crack or they create chaos by running ahead and pulling mobs. again. the mentality this thread is about is toxic but doesn't take away my points about you. learn the game, learn the roles, get out of your healer toxicity as well. if i ran into you i would leave the run right up, even as a dps.

[Miracle_Diva]

I have to ask. if said person with little free time plays, are they maximizing their free time by subjecting a party to a chaotic run? each party dynamic is different and its apparent when you enter the dungeon.

i will say this. i don't think you know how to tank properly. tanks pull, aggro and soak damage in all levels of content. that is their primary job. this "anyone can pull" mentality brings about speedrunner mentality. those people gotta go like sonic on crack or they create chaos by running ahead and pulling mobs. again. the mentality this thread is about is toxic but doesn't take away my points about you. learn the game, learn the roles, get out of your healer toxicity as well. if i ran into you i would leave the run right up, even as a dps.

Stop assuming things about people you don't know or never played with, it doesn't make your point seem smarter, quite the opposite.
You keep bringing this "speedrunner mentality" but in reality it's normal pace for any player that has played enough to know that all dungeons are literally reskins of other dungeons, their formula doesn't change, you can't speedrun alliance raids as well.
In dungeons if someone is pulling ahead of tank - tank is being slow. It's as simple as that. And don't try to bring low level content. No one is talking about new players learning the game.

You keep calling me toxic, but apparently it's okay for a tank to let someone die because they didn't get to pull first. Lmao.