Length MSQ from all the expansions - it is getting insane

[VelKallor]

So why are you drawing wild, unsubstantiated and in fact UNPROVEABLE conclusions on player retention when you dont have any accurate data? You dont know. Those three words may be very hard for you to admit, but its the truth.

You dont know. I dont have an issue with those three words...evidently you do.

, so yall keep rambling about this "yeah steam numbers are not good enough !!!" "they dont cover enough people",

No, they dont. You have admitted as much, so why are you staunchly hanging onto what is essentially a GIGO result?

and the only reason why this comes up is because you know very well that they wont ever post these

Correct. So, unlike you, I wont be making any false or misleading assumptions based on data I dont have. Aside from my own, albeit anecdotal observations, I have no idea which way things are going.

You, however, seem to set a lot of stock in these so called "perceptions", Id almost call it confirmation bias to a degree. You are jaded, cynical, at times contemptuous towards others who are enjoying the game, as you seem to want to think that the game is bad and they should think as you do...why is that?

, so you can keep denying any sort of criticism that people have towards the game and act like everything is good and dandy and the game is in a perfectly good state and is not losing players.

Yet I cant find anyone who has said this. Not in this thread, in any case..I certainly havent, despite the fact you keep trying to put words in my mouth.

As far as I am concerned I am having a blast, currently crafting a Coelacanth - class submarine...actually that name made me smile. The Coelacanth was supposed to have been extinct for millennia..until they started turning up in fishermans nets.

Stormpeaks, we dont know , we may never know the exact state of play, you dont have that data, neither do I. So why draw these silly hypotheses as fact when you dont have reliable, sourced and proveable data? STEAM data on its own is NOT sufficient, nor is it in any way an identifiable or viable metric to gauge any supposed 'trends".

Ill say this again, as it seems you have elided over my previous thread comments. No game is perfect, none will ever be so. There will always be flaws, issues, thats a given in game developement.

Is FF 14 fun for me? Yes.

Do I consider the story a masterpiece? Based on my own reading over the years and other games I have played? Yes.

You seem to take odd delight in telling others how bad the game is and its losing players blah blah....why?

Im at a loss to understand exactly WHAT it is you are trying to say here.

[Saraide]

Steam charts is accurate data. You'd have to prove that steam users are significantely different than console and standalone users. What's the reason to assume this? Anectodal evidence does not count. You dont need all the data, you just need a representative sample to draw valid conclusions.

[Shinkuno]

So why are you drawing wild, unsubstantiated and in fact UNPROVEABLE conclusions on player retention when you dont have any accurate data? You dont know. Those three words may be very hard for you to admit, but its the truth.

Ah yes, the data that developers in the past have claimed is very indicative of playerbase, path of exile developer grinding gear games still citing them in their league wrapups, is somehow in FF14 not accurate enough because it goes against your beliefs of a ever growing masterpiece of a game. Must be an easy life to live when you just deny reality 24/7

[Stormpeaks]

Steam charts is accurate data. You'd have to prove that steam users are significantely different than console and standalone users. What's the reason to assume this? Anectodal evidence does not count. You dont need all the data, you just need a representative sample to draw valid conclusions.

^ this basically. Except if you can prove that people on different platforms do entirely different content

Ah yes, the data that developers in the past have claimed is very indicative of playerbase, path of exile developer grinding gear games still citing them in their league wrapups, is somehow in FF14 not accurate enough because it goes against your beliefs of a ever growing masterpiece of a game. Must be an easy life to live when you just deny reality 24/7

And this ^

[DixieBellOCE]

The point is story engagement, one story is engaging (FFX) and one is not (FFXIV)

Also yes, it is a good metric, its a sample of a certain percentage of the population, it gives a trend as to if a game is doing good or not.

You could just link the https://activeplayer.io/final-fantasy-xiv/ and compare it to other games, that is enough to show that the population of XIV is much smaller than people realize. And yes this website takes steam and standalone XIV into consideration.

You could even hurt the XIV white knight ego even more by letting them know that destiny 2 has a higher DAILY active player count than XIV.

[Saraide]

You could just link the https://activeplayer.io/final-fantasy-xiv/ and compare it to other games, that is enough to show that the population of XIV is much smaller than people realize. And yes this website takes steam and standalone XIV into consideration.

You could even hurt the XIV white knight ego even more by letting them know that destiny 2 has a higher DAILY active player count than XIV.

Those stats are pretty surprising. The monthly average in players has more or less steadily increased since the endwalker launch. Four months ago the daily average took a sharp dive but the monthly average is seemingly unaffected by that. Also what happened in september 2020?

[Fayt1203]

Those stats are pretty surprising. The monthly average in players has more or less steadily increased since the endwalker launch. Four months ago the daily average took a sharp dive but the monthly average is seemingly unaffected by that. Also what happened in september 2020?

Could maybe be Bot/Rtm bans ???

[Stormpeaks]

Those stats are pretty surprising. The monthly average in players has more or less steadily increased since the endwalker launch. Four months ago the daily average took a sharp dive but the monthly average is seemingly unaffected by that. Also what happened in september 2020?

I heavily doubt those stats are real, they count WoW as having half the monthly players of FFXIV, and half the active players of FFXIV, that's a bit of stretch

Also september 2020 is patch 5.31 https://allpatchnotes.com/final-fant...0-patch-notes/

[VelKallor]

I heavily doubt those stats are real

So those stats arent real but the STEAM ones are. Got it.

[Stormpeaks]

So those stats arent real but the STEAM ones are. Got it.

Still waiting for you to prove that people on different platforms play different type of content, guess I'll wait for a very long time.

Also, 2.2 millions active players didnt leave for 5.31. Or did THAT many people get scared by the Ishgard restoration sidequests ?