Length MSQ from all the expansions - it is getting insane

[Stormpeaks]

Subjective.
I think Both are good, but hey, to each their own.



Not even my argument.
Im saying the Steamcharts dont factor in Players that Play Via the official Launcher, or on Consoles.
It would be more accurate if there was a way to factor in the whole playerbaase, instead of just 1 metric that on hits a Percentage. One that we cant say for sure hit X% of the playerbase.

It
Still
Gives
A
Trend.

It's too easy to always say this stuff, knowing very well they dont share numbers, so you can keep coping saying "yeah x source is false because it doesnt include x", it's some next level coping. Obviously its not complete because they dont share those numbers, so all we can get is a sample, and it does give a downward trend, a pretty big one too.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

It
Still
Gives
A
Trend.
It's too easy to always say this stuff, knowing very well they dont share numbers, so you can keep coping saying "yeah x source is false because it doesnt include x", it's some next level coping

You ok?
Because I understand you just fine. No need to break it down as if I didnt understand how much weight you guys put on Steam.
And I never said Any Source was false. Please dont start making stuff up for no reason.

[VelKallor]

It's too easy to always say this stuff, knowing very well they dont share numbers, so you can keep coping saying "yeah x source is false because it doesnt include x", it's some next level coping. Obviously its not complete because they dont share those numbers, so all we can get is a sample, and it does give a downward trend, a pretty big one too

No.

STEAM does not factor in the huge disparity between their numbers , those on native launchers as well as the PSN network. You do not have any data on other login systems, which must of force be included to make your entire dataset from which to draw a statistical analysis.

You are, as has been shown above, unable to provide said data, and you cannot at this time provide any form of correlation between those datasets to indicate any trend.

You also have no baseline data from which to draw a comparative analysis...i.i.e player numbers for the last three years, broken down by region etc. Youd also need the same for WOW....good luck with THAT.

To quote Helmuth of Boskone "Your report is neither complete nor conclusive".

[Saraide]

No.

STEAM does not factor in the huge disparity between their numbers , those on native launchers as well as the PSN network. You do not have any data on other login systems, which must of force be included to make your entire dataset from which to draw a statistical analysis.

You are, as has been shown above, unable to provide said data, and you cannot at this time provide any form of correlation between those datasets to indicate any trend.

You also have no baseline data from which to draw a comparative analysis...i.i.e player numbers for the last three years, broken down by region etc. Youd also need the same for WOW....good luck with THAT.

To quote Helmuth of Boskone "Your report is neither complete nor conclusive".

Do you think that the people who play on steam have significantly different taste and opinions when it comes to ff14 than those on consoles or on the standalone launcher?

[Stormpeaks]

Do you think that the people who play on steam have significantly different taste and opinions when it comes to ff14 than those on consoles or on the standalone launcher?

It's a coping mechanism for them, because they know there wont ever be any sort of number for subscriptions and how much the game retains players over patches and mini patches and expansions, so they keep saying "yeah you have incomplete data", because that way they can feel like they are right, even though it's proven otherwise via steam charts which gives a good sample, but they just wont accept that because it doesnt include consoles and standalone.

The player behind a console or a computer is still... a player, so as I have tried to tell them a million times, it's not exact numbers to the 0.01%, but it gives a good idea of the trend, if its upward or downward.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

It's a coping mechanism
they keep saying "yeah you have incomplete data", because that way they can feel like they are right

-Sigh-
Ok buddy.

[Striker44]

Do you think that the people who play on steam have significantly different taste and opinions when it comes to ff14 than those on consoles or on the standalone launcher?

I'll jump in and say most likely. I look at my Steam friends who play FFXIV thru Steam, and I look at my FFXIV friends who play thru the SE launcher, and they have very different tastes. Now, this is just anecdotal evidence on my part, so it's not enough either to draw any definite conclusions, but it also makes sense logically that people playing thru Steam are more likely to be people whose "primary" types of games aren't MMO's. Your more traditional MMO-lover is probably a lot more likely to use the company's own launcher than Steam.

I also put little (read: none) value in Steam numbers because I've never witnessed any apparent correlation between trends there and what I'm actually, physically, literally seeing happen in game. FC activity doesn't drop when Steam numbers drop. Queue times don't go up (even for more obscure content like running a specific Nier raid) when Steam numbers drop. There's nothing I've ever seen change in-game when Steam numbers fluctuate that would suggest the portion of the playerbase represented by those Steam numbers is in any way meaningful or applicable to the playerbase at large.

[DPZ2]

Do you think that the people who play on steam have significantly different taste and opinions when it comes to ff14 than those on consoles or on the standalone launcher?

Since Japanese players almost exclusively use Sony consoles to play the game ... Yes.

[Stormpeaks]

Since Japanese players almost exclusively use Sony consoles to play the game ... Yes.

So what you are saying is that the japanese dont do multiple activities like we do on EU and NA

okay buddy

[SannaR]

So what you are saying is that the japanese dont do multiple activities like we do on EU and NA

okay buddy

No, what he's saying is they tend to enjoy their consoles more and tend to use their version of something thar NA n EU use. Like Niconico instead of twitch.