Length MSQ from all the expansions - it is getting insane

[VelKallor]

WoW never had a great story

WOTLK, Pandaria, Legion would like a word with you.

[Shinkuno]

WOTLK, Pandaria, Legion would like a word with you.

WOTLK where Arthas was memes as a saturday morning cartoon villain, and most of it was just "dae wc3 tft?"

Pandaria was carried by the zone stories, the overarching story was mid

Legion was BC 2.0 with the same bullshit asspulls

Also note that not great != bad

WoWs story is serviceable and can be enjoyed, but i wouldnt call it a great story

[Myrany]

WOTLK, Pandaria, Legion would like a word with you.

Vel you and I both did loremaster (Though I did it before the cataclysm and you did it after) as such you and I saw more of the story than the average player. We are going to have a different view on the story as we saw far more of it.

[leigh28]

I for one like that it's this way. Rolling alt after alt never resonated with me in other MMORPG's. I'm sure I'm not the only one too. It's a massive point of difference. FFXIV plays more like a single player RPG with MMO elements to it.

[VelKallor]

Vel you and I both did loremaster (Though I did it before the cataclysm and you did it after) as such you and I saw more of the story than the average player. We are going to have a different view on the story as we saw far more of it.

We agree on this.

In much the same way that Ive done a lot of the sidequests as well as all the MSQ. The story was there, Pandaria's was one of the darkest I had ever seen. The scenes with the Pandaren wife who allowed the ugliness and horror of war pervert her into a Sha-possessed demon was one I will never forget.

"Pandas are all about funny light hearted morons" etc was so far off the mark it got disgusting.

We came to Pandaria, what we left behind was sickness, death, misery, destruction. There WAS an enemy in Pandaria. US. We were the enemy.

....to quote a member of the Grey Council

"If there is a doom on this place it is because you brought it here"

As far as the novels and books are concerned, THAT is again ANOTHER Blizzard failure, if you cant, or wont put it into the game, it is idiocy to expect people to shell out more for a plethora of books with lore and content the devs were too f.ing lazy to put into the damned game. Dont get me started on the rancid mess that was WOD...FF 14 manages to put all its story into the game without asking the customer to pay more $$$$ to understand what the hell is going on...and why.

This is what I despised about WOW now, its all about short term content, the actual legacy of the game be damned.

Legion was brilliant...BFA by comparison was exchanging a plate of well cooked pasta for a five day old decaying, regurgitated, half digested fish.

[DixieBellOCE]

Since I am a veteran MMO player, played them since 2001.
I hate this hand-holding that this game has.
Also, the number of hours you have to spend to play through the ALL msq is just insane.
I am the type of player who likes to have tons of alts and does not like the idea of having all classes on one character.
I like playing every class on different characters like in all other games out there.
It feels like SE is forcing me to pay story skip since it takes me more than 30 days to complete msq on single character. Mostly because I hate it, and I hate it because it is not voiced and there are too many fetch quests. The old republic has all quests voiced, maybe because the number of them is so much smaller than FFXIV.

The hand holding is the only issue i see here.

MSQ is far too easy and the endgame suffers because of this. its like graduating kindergarden and being expected to clear your finals.

[Denji]

WOTLK, Pandaria, Legion would like a word with you.

is this a late april fools joke

[VelKallor]

MSQ is far too easy and the endgame suffers because of this.

Endgame is NOT just "raiding", it can be whatever it is you want it to be, so i find this obsession with your idea of endgame somewhat annoying. The MSQ is fine as is, as has been stated REPEATEDLY, it is meant to be doable by a range of competencies, as it is not meant to be a brick wall for people to smash their heads on.

My endgame doesnt consist of ANY "high end raiding", nor does it need to be...I have plenty to do as it is. In this I share a lot of players attitudes, so again, "endgame" does not "suffer" at all.

FF 14 is not 'raid do m plus or pvp and if not GTFO"

its like graduating kindergarden and being expected to clear your finals.

What "finals"? What, if like so many others, we choose NOT to worry about Savage , Ex or uiltimate or whatever....where does that leave this sweeping generalisation? Or is this yet another "whats your excuse for not raiding" meme?

Endgame in FF 14 covers a wide range of activities...so what exactly is your point here?

Incidentally, please dont make the mistake the other guy made in assuming I choose not to raid high end because I cant, I can any time I want..I simply choose not to. Its a valid attitude to have, I play as others do as suits ME. One player on my server is a fishing nut and he is having a blast...so again, that kinda invalidates your premise.

The same goes for others. They play as suits them, when if and how they choose.

Player choice..a major component in MODERN gaming.

kindergarden

Kindergarten - from the German. The term dates back to the 19th century. Friedrich Froebel (1782-1852) started the first kindergarten, Garden of Children, in 1840.

The hand holding is the only issue i see here.

I dont see an issue at all. We disagree.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Their devs have acknowledged that there are players who don't really care about the story or prefer to experience it in their own way.
It makes no sense to continue to require the story and continue to edit it for the sake of people who don't care about the story.

Thats them, thats not FFXIV.
Sounds like those stories are entirely self contained and separated from an overall Main Story. Which is fine. FFXIV even has some of these in their Raids, Dungeons, and many activities. However FFXIV has a story to tell, and its world changes WITH the story, which leads to content being unlocked, and some of those stories exist thanks to the progression from the MSQ.
If players dont care about the story, hey, you can skip it and go about your day. Either from buying a skip, or just Skip Cutscene.

[VelKallor]

is this a late april fools joke

I played all of every expac, had Loremaster. There is and was a huge story..simply because people rushed it, did the bare minimum to get to raiding.... isnt my concern.

Their loss. My gain.