Man, I know posting onto the forums really doesn't amount to much more than pissing into the wind either way, but like... is there honestly, really, *any* point in this long winded Blame Game shit? just tell each other to fuck off and get onto whatever other points you were making instead of writing up treatises on why so and so is actually the meaner/more decietful/bully/whatever the hell like the person you're faux debating is going to go "oh, yeah, you're right and i'm wrong i am the villian" or w/e you're expecting to happen. Would save everyone a couple headaches and definitely some time, not to mention stop derailing threads that are approaching being interesting.