Healer Survey:

[Renathras]

If that's the case, then I'll take your advice and dip out of the conversation. I've already said my piece.

Nah, ForsakenRoe REALLY doesn't like me because we have a difference of opinion on WHM changes and she takes it personally. She tends to harass and badmouth me in threads all over the forum. I can't post anything in here without her doing so, and she also does so in other threads she sees me post in like in the DPS forum. It's like having my own personal stalker.

If you're throwing in with her, you...well, poor life decisions, but do you.

As for insults, I try to avoid them. I will ever now and then break if someone's just been harassing me and pushes and pushes and pushes or does something pretty egregious like outright lying about me when they actually know better from prior (or even that very same) exchange, but I try to stick to facts and arguments/points of discussion. I dislike threads devolving into derailed personal insult/ad hominem fallacy chains. But certain people have decided that the best way to "win" arguments here is to just harass, derail, and smear the people that disagree with them at every turn, preventing any actual discussion and they seem to feel this means they will "win" by default.

It's obnoxious, but I try to avoid it. At this point I'm just not replying to the personal insults much anymore because there's no way to reason or get these people to stop doing it. I've tried.

I stopped because I DON'T want to get into an insult fight with you, despite you suggesting one first completely out of the blue and uncalled for.

I won't keep fighting over the buttons, I'm just saying they are separate buttons, with separate uses, that contribute to DPS (Misery is a DPS gain if used in buff windows) and to MP management (see just below here)

There is MP gain, if you keep your GCD rolling and the afflatus heals are just unneeded, you can alternatively use them over spending another 400 MP on Glare. It's not a skill that gives MP, but it's an MP-positive skill compared to using 4 Glares in terms of damage potency per GCD. You basically save up 1200 MP over the course of a minute as a result in this roundabout way by simply using it.

This.

It's why Misery not being DPS neutral hurt WHM's MP economy in 6.0. Making Misery damage neutral, even if we made it not benefit from buffs at all, is like giving WHM's 1600 MP per minute, which is 4/5ths of an Aetherflow (1600 vs 2000), and close to that of Addersgall (2100 per minute average). It'd also be equivalent to getting 4x Thin Air uses per minute (on Glare). It's a pretty significant MP management boost.

They also serve as a movement tool, since WHM's other option is burning Swiftcast on a Glare or chain casting Dia if they have to move a long way. 2-3x Dia casts is definitely an DPS and MP loss over using Lilies there instead. And that's when Lilies do NO useful healing; when they do, they have even greater benefit.

Whew, an overwhelming 90% of SCHs, that's kind of wild. You know what you must do, Yoshida...

I fully expect that would be the majority position of SCHs across the board. It's a position even my anti-DPS-self shares, so you know it's going to be nearly universa

*whistles*

It appears it's almost unanimous from the healer community that we want to oGCD heal less.

Also this.

Seeing a lot of this in the long-form survey as well (though people are saying it in lots of different ways).

[Aravell]

Nah, ForsakenRoe REALLY doesn't like me because we have a difference of opinion on WHM changes and she takes it personally. She tends to harass and badmouth me in threads all over the forum. I can't post anything in here without her doing so, and she also does so in other threads she sees me post in like in the DPS forum. It's like having my own personal stalker.

If you're throwing in with her, you...well, poor life decisions, but do you.

As for insults, I try to avoid them. I will ever now and then break if someone's just been harassing me and pushes and pushes and pushes or does something pretty egregious like outright lying about me when they actually know better from prior (or even that very same) exchange, but I try to stick to facts and arguments/points of discussion. I dislike threads devolving into derailed personal insult/ad hominem fallacy chains. But certain people have decided that the best way to "win" arguments here is to just harass, derail, and smear the people that disagree with them at every turn, preventing any actual discussion and they seem to feel this means they will "win" by default.

It's obnoxious, but I try to avoid it. At this point I'm just not replying to the personal insults much anymore because there's no way to reason or get these people to stop doing it. I've tried.

I stopped because I DON'T want to get into an insult fight with you, despite you suggesting one first completely out of the blue and uncalled for.

Excuse me, I never once insulted you. I called your post maybe disingenuous and I called your argument dumb. But I never once attacked you, the person behind the screen. You, on the other hand, went straight to attack me directly on your 2nd reply to me.

If taking someone's advice is akin to "throwing my lot in with them", then sure. I already said I don't know you well, if someone else that knows you better gives me advice, why would I refuse it?

Anyway, you've shown yourself to be very assuming of me and very difficult to discuss anything with, I'll be taking my leave, continue thinking of me as a meanie that insulted you if that makes you feel better. I'm out.