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  1. #191
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    Quote Originally Posted by Antoine_Lenheim View Post
    They should just limit the amount of entrants from one FC to... one. Would immediately fix the problem of snatching FCs who bid with all their members and ultimately claim the plot.

    How come this is rocket science for devs I have no idea.
    They want the FCs with more active members to have an increased chance of winning a house over the FCs with only one active member.

    It's not rocket science. It's a design decision. There's still a chance for the FCs with the single active member to win.
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  2. #192
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    They want the FCs with more active members to have an increased chance of winning a house over the FCs with only one active member.

    It's not rocket science. It's a design decision. There's still a chance for the FCs with the single active member to win.
    And why would you give some players advantage over others in A LOTTERY?! At least when you're buying multiple lottery tickets in real life for a higher chance you actually DO spend more of your money, whereas here people from FC who didn't claim the plot get full cashback. So if you're allowing multiple entrants from the same FC, at least make them lose money.
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  3. #193
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    Quote Originally Posted by Antoine_Lenheim View Post
    And why would you give some players advantage over others in A LOTTERY?! At least when you're buying multiple lottery tickets in real life for a higher chance you actually DO spend more of your money, whereas here people from FC who didn't claim the plot get full cashback. So if you're allowing multiple entrants from the same FC, at least make them lose money.
    They give them a better chance because they're a larger FC. You can always get a different plot for your small FC, it's not like FC wards are running out of houses that quickly on most worlds.

    If your complaint is that you have a smaller chance of getting the large or medium that you want, so it goes. Not everyone who wants one will be able to get one. They still want to reward the larger FCs that are helping to promote the more social side of the game since that in turn (theoretically) brings more players into the wards to make those wards feel more alive.
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  4. #194
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    They give them a better chance because they're a larger FC. You can always get a different plot for your small FC, it's not like FC wards are running out of houses that quickly on most worlds.

    If your complaint is that you have a smaller chance of getting the large or medium that you want, so it goes. Not everyone who wants one will be able to get one. They still want to reward the larger FCs that are helping to promote the more social side of the game since that in turn (theoretically) brings more players into the wards to make those wards feel more alive.
    Then it's a flawed system that is biased towards a certain party. Which shouldn't happen in a lottery, which is by it's origin a random oriented system. Well, at least it "should" be random.

    If you're so keen on catering to the needs of FCs, then at the very least establish a price for entrance, like, say, a million. Which will not be refunded even if you win the plot. Current way just promotes FC grabbers to bid with all their members, which ruins the chances for others to claim the plot. And we're not even talking about larges or mediums here, normal players who just want their own first small are in major disadvantage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Antoine_Lenheim View Post
    And why would you give some players advantage over others in A LOTTERY?!
    That is exactly what you're asking for. An FC with 12 active members versus an FC with 1 active member should be given the same chance? Why does the single member deserve twelve times the odds as each of the 12 in the larger FC?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Antoine_Lenheim View Post
    Then it's a flawed system that is biased towards a certain party. Which shouldn't happen in a lottery, which is by it's origin a random oriented system. Well, at least it "should" be random.

    If you're so keen on catering to the needs of FCs, then at the very least establish a price for entrance, like, say, a million. Which will not be refunded even if you win the plot. Current way just promotes FC grabbers to bid with all their members, which ruins the chances for others to claim the plot. And we're not even talking about larges or mediums here, normal players who just want their own first small are in major disadvantage.
    This is what happened on Sagittarius on Phantom (not sure which), some streamer had ALL of their members bid on mist 35, in total they had about 56 bids, leaving 0 chance to anyone else to get the plot, I dont think this is fair in any way, FC bids,no matter the size, should be limited to 1 bid per FC.
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  7. #197
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormpeaks View Post
    This is what happened on Sagittarius on Phantom (not sure which), some streamer had ALL of their members bid on mist 35, in total they had about 56 bids, leaving 0 chance to anyone else to get the plot, I dont think this is fair in any way, FC bids,no matter the size, should be limited to 1 bid per FC.
    How is this a problem? 56 people managed to get the gil to bid, and took the time to do it. You're telling me is a flaw in the system that the house went to a group where all 56 of them can now enjoy it? You would rather give an equal chance to an FC that can only make 1 bid and only has 4 members?
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  8. #198
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    Quote Originally Posted by PredatoryCatgirl View Post
    How is this a problem? 56 people managed to get the gil to bid, and took the time to do it. You're telling me is a flaw in the system that the house went to a group where all 56 of them can now enjoy it? You would rather give an equal chance to an FC that can only make 1 bid and only has 4 members?
    If you don't see the problem here then you might as well be amongst those 56 people who have bidded on that plot.
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    Sure, lock it to one bid per FC. Then, when your active FC loses to a solo FC, you can come back here and complain about all solo FCs being sub farms and RMT and that you never see your neighbors in the wards! Infinite complaining generator!

    There's no real good justification for active FCs being equally weighted. You could certainly argue that they should lose some proportion of their bid money, but ultimately it's clear that SE's goal was to maximize the amount of people who have access to A House, one way or another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Antoine_Lenheim View Post
    If you don't see the problem here then you might as well be amongst those 56 people who have bidded on that plot.
    Okay, cool. I will be. Thanks for demonstrating that you have the debate skills of a wet paper towel.
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