Please more housing wards soon. And no more FC/Private Hybrid.

[PredatoryCatgirl]

That they have quite literally no chance to get it because they are a smaller FC, which is why it should be 1 bid per FC, that is equal and fair. The amount of members shouldnt change anything about the bidding process.

So you want sub farms to have equal chance to 56 person FCs? Is that what I'm hearing? Why do you want to support RMT?

See, I can make a baseless appeal to emotion too. Now tell me why you want the same person to be able to own the entire ward with their shell FCs. Why do you want to support that?

[ZiraZ]

Active FC which loses to a solo FC is the only way to make the lottery system FAIR. You're wrong if you think it should cater to the needs of the other party simply because it's bigger. If it does, it either needs to penalize them by having an established entry fee so if 56 man FC wants to bid with all their members, they need to pay that fee which will not be refunded even if they win the plot. Or they simply shouldn't allow multiple entrants from one FC.

You can't make everyone happy anyway so AT LEAST try and make the current system fair for every and each one of the entrants by giving them equal chances of getting the house.

I never understood why they never did the no refund if win method for FCs, it makes perfect sense and is the most fair method.
An FC with a large amount of active members determined to get a house will easily come up with the funds to dominate the bids but it will cost them to secure it, but at the same time it also allows a committed and active small FC to get a decent chance at winning vs a mostly inactive large FC.
it also moderately keeps house flippers and sub farmers away from larger houses due to lower return of investment.

[Starien]

So, what chance would someone bidding with a 10 people FC for example, have agaisnt another bigger one with 56 bids, is that fair ? Do they not deserve to bid on the large fairly and have a decent chance to get it because they're a smaller FC ?

In my mind, it is fair that an FC may choose where to place a bid. It is also fair that the lottery may choose a winner from among anyone in the bidding pool including those of a smaller FC. The odds may be stacked but will not be impossible.

It is also fair that there is no limit to the number of cycles an FC may bid to relocate in case one attempt didn't pan out. Larges are not so incredibly rare; they are opening more frequently due to auto-demolition now as well as relocation.

It also feels fair to me that if an FC wants to zero in on a plot in a prime location, they should expect to be up against a ton of competition and they have every right to try to stack the odds in their favor the best they can. Effort produces a more favorable chance. All of this seems reasonable to me.

[Stormpeaks]

So you want sub farms to have equal chance to 56 person FCs? Is that what I'm hearing? Why do you want to support RMT?

See, I can make a baseless appeal to emotion too. Now tell me why you want the same person to be able to own the entire ward with their shell FCs. Why do you want to support that?

The hell is that for an exageration xD we are talking about a single house and fcs have an equal 1 bid on each, apparently that somehow removes all the competition and there will only be 1 bid on all the houses from the same person and it will obviously be for RMT ?

What

[Antoine_Lenheim]

That is not the same thing.

This is what you're saying though. In your book, a 56 man FC bidding with all their members is okay, which reduces the chances of a smaller FC to get a house to zero, unless that FC is packing four leaf clovers in all places imaginable and unimaginable. Sure, you do not meet the hoard bidders on your each bid but even 1 man biddind vs 3 men from the opposite FC, it's already reducing your chances three times lower. Which is not fair. Or equal, since some people here decided to debate on terminology and which word means what.

I'd be absolutely alright with 100, 200, 300 bids on one plot, if I knew it's actually 300 different people who have bidded on it. And I have 1 out of 300 chance, fair and square. But as it is now, out of 300 bids its one FC with 50 bids, another FC with another 50 bids, etc etc etc. I'm exagerrating, of course, but you do get the point, I hope.

[PredatoryCatgirl]

The hell is that for an exageration xD we are talking about a single house and fcs have an equal 1 bid on each, apparently that somehow removes all the competition and there will only be 1 bid on all the houses from the same person and it will obviously be for RMT ?

What

Are your reading comprehension skills so poor that you don't realize that I was making a deliberately bad argument and comparing it to your tactic of using "fair" to push your opinion as the only possible way of thinking?

Apparently so. I'm out. Call me when you have a better grasp of things like 7th grade math, as evidenced in an earlier post.

[Stormpeaks]

Are your reading comprehension skills so poor that you don't realize that I was making a deliberately bad argument and comparing it to your tactic of using "fair" to push your opinion as the only possible way of thinking?

Apparently so. I'm out. Call me when you have a better grasp of things like 7th grade math, as evidenced in an earlier post.

That's exactly what I said, you exaggerated it to extremes and its absolutely ridiculous

We can put it to the other extreme then, if an FC decides to bid with 200 bids on a small, is that normal too, especially in unrestricted ward with other people bidding on it as personal ?

[PredatoryCatgirl]

if I knew it's actually 300 different people who have bidded on it

It is. 300 *people* in one FC. That is the core of what I'm saying. An FC is not one person. And that FC with 300 people deserves a larger chance at a house than an FC with 4 people, because 300 people using the house is better than 4. At the same time, the 4 person FC doesn't deserve to be locked out of bidding completely, it just deserves a lesser chance unless it strategically goes for houses that the 300 person FC wouldn't bid on.

[Sindele]

Uh, how do you think multi-bidding (and statistics, for that matter) works..? It is absolutely always 300 different characters bidding - just several of them may belong to the same FC.

[Stormpeaks]

It is. 300 *people* in one FC. That is the core of what I'm saying. An FC is not one person. And that FC with 300 people deserves a larger chance at a house than an FC with 4 people, because 300 people using the house is better than 4. At the same time, the 4 person FC doesn't deserve to be locked out of bidding completely, it just deserves a lesser chance unless it strategically goes for houses that the 300 person FC wouldn't bid on.

What you seem to forget is that on extremely populated worlds, some wards are now unrestricted, and the plots are EXTREMELY limited, so please do tell me if you think lets say 200 bids of an FC on a small that is unrestricted (also open to personal housing) is fair and equal, while people bidding on it for personal can only bid once ? Do you not deserve a chance because you bid as personal and the FC decided to bid with their entire FC ?

That's the point debaters here seemed to successfully ignore. Yeah, okay, I get it. You want bigger FCs to win so more people get access to housing, yada yada. Fine. Make them pay for it as much as they need to muster up dozens of entrants. It is loophole'ing the system, after all. Why it's not penalized in any way? I'm bringing this point up again but even in RL lotteries you do pay the symbolic price for the ticket and if you're buying ten tickets, you pay ten times the symbolic price. Why it's not present here?

Out of posts for the day, that seem like a solution tbh, add a stacking fee for each bid on the same house from the same FC, bidding on it as FC, that is non refundable.