Please more housing wards soon. And no more FC/Private Hybrid.

[Jojoya]

Then it's a flawed system that is biased towards a certain party. Which shouldn't happen in a lottery, which is by it's origin a random oriented system. Well, at least it "should" be random.

If you're so keen on catering to the needs of FCs, then at the very least establish a price for entrance, like, say, a million. Which will not be refunded even if you win the plot. Current way just promotes FC grabbers to bid with all their members, which ruins the chances for others to claim the plot. And we're not even talking about larges or mediums here, normal players who just want their own first small are in major disadvantage.

So are you saying that people should be limited to a single ticket in a real life lottery as well, instead of some choosing to buy 5 tickets while others buy 100?

A rather poor choice of an example.

Keep in mind I haven't stated what my personal feelings are. I've stated what SE has said their intent is. The question came up in one of the Q&As around the time the lottery was announced and they said FCs would be able to enter multiple times in the same lottery period. To give larger FCs a better chance was the answer.

Don't forget there is a price to enter a lottery - the purchase price of the plot, even if it's later refunded. If you're going after a medium for your FC with a single entry, you only have to come up with 20 million gil. If a large FC wants 56 entries, they have to come up with over one billion gil instead of only 20 million. If one million gil is non-refundable, which FC do you think is going to be hurting more by trying to enter - the FC that only had 20 milllion gil so they're down to 19 million, or the big FC that had over one billion gil and still has over one billion.

Trust me, a non-refundable entry fee is not going to change things in your favor.

On the subject of one entry per FC period, you're still not going to end up in a significant improved position.

First, you're going to get more FCs entering as they would be less likely to be deterred by the number of entries being made since they know that each is a separate FC. People are more likely to enter when they know everyone's chance of winning is the same even if their personal odds have not improved.

Second, the smart large FC plans ahead. They break up into several smaller FCs with 4 players each in advance. If they have the funds for 56 entries then they can break up into 14-56 different FCs (depending on exactly how many members the FC had). Lottery comes, all 14-56 FCs enter versus your 1 entry and say a half dozen other FCs. That gives them a 66-89% chance of winning against the 1.5-5% chance you and the other 6 FCs each have.

If one of their 14-56 FCs wins the house, they merge the other 13-55 FCs back into the winning FC and reset the FC name and tag back to what they originally had. Then they funnel everything they had stripped from the original FC back into the new one. Assuming they had a house in the first place, at worst they have to start their entitlements, private chambers and workshop over (trivial for a FC that had over one billion gil available in the first place). Restarting the workshop won't be that bad because they'll have the old parts from the airships/submersibles they had decommissions plus tons of ceruleum tanks purchased with the company credits in the original FC. They'll have all the accrued workshop materials needed to unlock the schematics - or gil to buy those materials from long established FCs selling them off.

No matter what you attempt to do to create a "fair" system, the smart larger FC is always going to end up with a sizeable advantage. You might as well take your chances with the system as it currently stands.

So you want sub farms to have equal chance to 56 person FCs? Is that what I'm hearing? Why do you want to support RMT?

See, I can make a baseless appeal to emotion too. Now tell me why you want the same person to be able to own the entire ward with their shell FCs. Why do you want to support that?

Don't invoke the spirit of he whom we have on ignore, please.

What you seem to forget is that on extremely populated worlds, some wards are now unrestricted, and the plots are EXTREMELY limited, so please do tell me if you think lets say 200 bids of an FC on a small that is unrestricted (also open to personal housing) is fair and equal, while people bidding on it for personal can only bid once ? Do you not deserve a chance because you bid as personal and the FC decided to bid with their entire FC ?



Out of posts for the day, that seem like a solution tbh, add a stacking fee for each bid on the same house from the same FC, bidding on it as FC, that is non refundable.

The 300 players also entering for personal purchase will end up reducing the chances of the FC winning. The FC's 56 entries would end up that same 15% chance of winning that you earlier equated to being non-existent.

So sounds like the system working as you want.

As for non-refundable entry fees, it's the small FCs that are hurt the most by this. If they enter and lose, they likely lose it all. The larger FC can reduce the number of their entries and still have a sizeable amount of gil left.

That's the point debaters here seemed to successfully ignore. Yeah, okay, I get it. You want bigger FCs to win so more people get access to housing, yada yada. Fine. Make them pay for it as much as they need to muster up dozens of entrants. It is loophole'ing the system, after all. Why it's not penalized in any way? I'm bringing this point up again but even in RL lotteries you do pay the symbolic price for the ticket and if you're buying ten tickets, you pay ten times the symbolic price. Why it's not present here?

It's only fair if the same rules apply to everyone.

Nothing is stopping you from growing your FC so you have more members and thus more potential entries.