Change/Remove Lalafell "Lifter"...

[HeavenlyAxis]

In my next to 2k hours playing FFXIV, I have received a remarkable amount of hate for playing a Lalafell, even outside of game. Genuine hatred and vitriol. I could care less about the chair situation but I have been called... upsetting words for the race I play in a video game. I'm sure you know the word I'm referring to. That's a disgusting thing to call someone, genuinely. I don't view Lalafells as children, mostly because... I play one, and I'm an adult. I model my character after myself, as in, my character looks like I do because I view her as an extension of myself. I do however disapprove of any content portraying Lalafells in a promiscuous light. I think that kind of thing is repulsive, moreso for Lalafells than the other races but I still think that kind of content, regardless of race, doesn't belong in this game.

I know it's a video game but going up to anyone and calling their character ugly or being actively hateful towards them because of the race they chose is weird. Most people would find the aforementioned behavior to be weird, except, for whatever reason, if you play Lalafell, in which chances are you'll be subject to that kind of harassment on a frequent basis. Tell me to touch grass all you want, but I read FFXIV stuff on Twitter, Reddit and 4chan and after this whole debacle I've seen all of them chock full of hate towards Lala players. When it comes to touching grass, I think people who feel actual hatred towards a silly video game race need to breathe fresh air.

You're a grown adult playing a "child-like" character for no reason other than the memes or because you want attention. The only logical solution left as to why you would play a character like this is for creepy reasons. It's not funny and never was funny. If you want to play a short race make the adults in-game as short as possible. LALAS are not the samething as dwarfs or midgets. They are children validated in the lore with childlike tendencies.

[VoidsentStatus]

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Agreed. And that's part of the reason why I'm not a venue owner anymore and don't plan to be. Because while there are people that need to stand up against harassment, the amount of other people that would do so is small, and I'm big on loyalty. All the projects I'm working on now are a middle ground, do my part as a thanks for the good bit I had while here, and move on.

The chair bit, yes and no. In my opinion, I think the bigger problem than the people harassing, is that Square hasn't put a chokehold on NA to make them behave properly like other regions, and I don't see them doing so until Yoshi-P has literally no choice. From everything I have heard, JP is much more confrontational, much more community-driven in movements, and their GM's are by far stricter. I come from an abandoned pvp game and I've seen pvp abandoned here as well (feast+ranked pvp at least for NA), so I know that feeling of abandonment/neglect and what it does to people, and after years, it would seem that the part of the community that does defend lalafell is starting to slowly speak out because they don't want to engage with toxic people unless they have to. And seeing a few extra voices in the thread that did defend them at least airing their grievances, despite what may actually be done to fix the problem they have, is a step in the right direction to me and I'm happy with that.

[Payadopa]

I wonder if the lalakarens here ever played other races. xD

Hyurs are vanilla, female Au'ra and Miqo'te are basic b****es, male Au'ra are groomers and edgelords, Elezen are giraffes, female Roes don't exist and every single Hrothgar is either a pink panther or a furry (or both). You are not special. lol

Every lala I know finds the chair funny. And if they added a Hroth-sized litter box I'd put that in a corner of my FC in a heartbeat for the lolz alone.

[Shinkuno]

I have no issues with the dumb chair, however..

Too many people blindly follow ideas or concepts of what's morally right without remotely trying to understand WHY things are the way they are. In this case in this case we protect children because they are children, not because they LOOK like children. We protect them because they cannot protect themselves physically or mentally from abusers. It is RIGHT to want to protect children, but these people are NOT and shouldn't be assumed as children, both the in game characters and the people behind their monitors.

Even beyond the scope of this line of thinking.. Anybody with basic critical thinking skill can understand the difference between real life and in game, and by extension fantasy and reality, players and roleplaying. Lest you also believe anybody that plays a thief also steals in real life, or pvpers are serial killers in real life, or anybody that involves themselves any kind of pre consenting "nonconsensual" role plays are also physical and/or sexual assaulters in real life.

The extreme extension of this aggressive argument carries over to ANY form of art as well, from drawings or animation, video games.. and suggests no forms of art should EVER contain ANY sort of immoral content, violent or sexual in nature, whether it be in in favor or even AGAINST such topics. All for what, select people that didn't want to take the time to differentiate fantasy from reality? That sucks.. Work things out, investigate, or at least don't pretend like you have any sort of investment. Don't be so ready to harass or judge people on potential lies or half truths. plz donut assume

Are you unironically trying to pull the "but they are secretly 3000 year old" argument?

[Midareyukki]

I wonder if the lalakarens here ever played other races. xD

Hyurs are vanilla, female Au'ra and Miqo'te are basic b****es, male Au'ra are groomers and edgelords, Elezen are giraffes, female Roes don't exist and every single Hrothgar is either a pink panther or a furry (or both). You are not special. lol

Every lala I know finds the chair funny. And if they added a Hroth-sized litter box I'd put that in a corner of my FC in a heartbeat for the lolz alone.

Give me a cardboard box first, then we'll talk.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

Want to know what's funny about that? That you should probably uninstall the game in that case since it has nsfw references all over of lalafell being in nsfw situations. Dungeon of lalafell being sex victims, lalafell engaging in sex gossip, bragging about sex body counts, fantasizing and or being in romantic relationships with non-lalafell, oh and the official lore encyclopedia has a bit about one of the main villain characters of ShB that's a lalafell being head over heels wanting "to be seen as a real woman" by another person in the group sexually.

We get it, you enjoy lala nsfw and you are mad you got booted out the RP communities you were in. You're not entitled to be in any community. If they don't want you around, they don't have to have you around. If a group want to reject lalafells entirely for any reason they can. Find another group to RP with.

[Friske]

I think it's definitely in bad taste and hypocritical when Yoshida openly admitted that in the world of FF14, lalafells should officially not be treated as children, but yet they also release what appears to be an infantilised highchair for a lalafell. The issue is consistency.
Yoshida can treat lalafells as children in game and it would be a perfect fit. But if Yoshida considers them as adults then the content within the game should reflect that, which the highchair goes against.
Many people play this game for escapism and roleplay where they are canonically adults, so it's quite bizarre that this object was placed in the game. It only fits as it does because of the assumptions and baggage that comes along with ff14 being a derivative work based off of reality, where lalafells have neotenised features and are based off of toddlers, so if you look at it from that perspective, it's a perfect fit.
My issue isn't that, it's with consistency. If Yoshida says they aren't children, then make it so Yoshida. If not, then please change your stance or outline more lore related reasons as to why this is in the game.

[Xeknos]

We get it, you enjoy lala nsfw and you are mad you got booted out the RP communities you were in. You're not entitled to be in any community. If they don't want you around, they don't have to have you around. If a group want to reject lalafells entirely for any reason they can. Find another group to RP with.

This. The problem with the person this comment is directed to is that they pretty clearly got called out and banned/rejected for doing weird pedo shit. Almost every post of theirs in this topic seems more like trying to re-litigate their rejection instead of contributing something relevant.

This... isn't ok. I'll apologize for the harsh words I used with you in earlier comments, because before I say what I'm about to say, the last thing I want is to be a part of the problem.

Final Fantasy XIV means a lot to me. I've been a Final Fantasy fan for many years, and joining the FFXIV community was actually one of the best decisions I've made. I've met some really great people, and had some really great experiences. Not to mention escaping into the world of FFXIV was sometimes a much needed distraction for a lot of the absolutely horrendous shit that was happening in my actual life.

HOWEVER;

If it is getting to the point where you are valuing the community/RP/whateverthefuck more than your actual needs, that is unhealthy. As an avid MMO player, I've seen too many people fall into a state where nothing else mattered, and the lines between problems that only existed in-game, and problems that existed in real life were extremely blurred, and people ended up getting hurt. Sometimes physically.

I'm not saying that you should put up with harassment, or that you shouldn't take a stand against it. People who are going great lengths to harass and harm (especially if it's leaking to IRL) should absolutely be held accountable. What I am saying is that your mental health and sanity should ALWAYS take precedence over anything else. Including this game. Including the community. Including the RP world. Including the venue community. With all due respect, based on some of your comments, it really feels like those lines are being blurred with you as well.

Which brings us back to the original topic, the chair. In the grand scheme of things, is it really worth all of this trouble? If people were going to be assholes to Lalafells, they were going to do it regardless of the chair's existence. The chair isn't the issue here.

Also this. Trying to substitute a game for your actual RL needs never ends well. I remember a friend of mine back in high school focused on EverQuest to the detriment of all else. He had to repeat his senior year. I tried doing the same thing in WoW several years later and it only made my mental health worse. Relying on an MMO instead of getting the proper help you need is *not* healthy.

[BluexBird]

LOL! It's called Lalafell Lifter! Because when we Lalafells sit at an adult-sized chair, we are so small that we can't use the table properly!

So we need a lifter to help fix this issue - JUST LIKE TODDLERS IN REAL LIFE!

This is so funny! xD

[VoidsentStatus]

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Happy this post is partially on subject so I can respond to the other section.

1) I wasn't kicked out of anything. If you paid attention instead of skimming, I was on Aether, and the discords I mentioned were on Crystal, that I was in for research but didn't actually engage with because that wasn't my home. It was an example of how someone could take an event from one data center and share it to another without context and cause problems. The only Aether venue that actually removed me had a venue owner that got flack afterward when they made it public at my request that they had a policy of banning people from their venue off of accusations alone, and you'd have to prove yourself innocent after. I even had them apologize to me afterward in DM's when I showed them proof they banned me for no reason. I left because I knew 4+ owners on Aether that knew about malicious things in the community and they wanted to look away and did not care.

2) I HATE LALAFELL NSFW. *GRABS YOUR EAR, AND YANKS YOU CLOSE TO MAKE SURE YOU CAN HEAR ME* WHAT PART OF RESPECT DO PEOPLE MISS WHEN I'M SPEAKING. If I wanted to call out anything I thought was gross, I'd be going to every makeup mod artist on twitter and telling them that splashing a rainbow on their face is gross. But I know how to keep my mouth shut because my personal taste/opinion isn't important because at the end of the day, no matter how loud I could bark about it, they'd still exist with a large market of interest, same as lalafell. You speaking your opinion doesn't manifest any meaningful results besides harassment.

3) No, they cannot exclude people for any reason. In private settings, yes, but in public, no. Not from communities.
"Expressions that attempt to unilaterally exclude someone from the game or content/community, etc."
(Except when in accordance with rules set by an administrator such as a Free Company Master)

Outside of the unrealism of having to teach conversation tricks/corners to wall people into a violation to every random lalafell in the community, it's off-game exclusion that often I have a problem with. Most venues are actually easy to get banned once you know the tricks because they're rude and think they can ban anyone for any reason out of their venue and that's not the case. You need a reason for it, and it can't be just any reason such as one of the examples given: ""Don't join if your equipment is that bad/such a low item level." That isn't allowed. But most, will try to argue and end breaking "Expressions that unilaterally reject another person's opinion." because they don't know how to debate and be understanding of other people. They want to think their word is God when Square wants people to be understanding and have healthy conversations.