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[Atelier-Bagur]

I don't think you get it.
Did you ever actively tried to raid on alt classes in PF?
Because the way you talk about it sounds like you didn't and you're completely missing the point and the true issue here by trying to make it into a "you all just want to feel super strong, what a sad mentality". The issue isn't that we don't have any entry level gear - the issue is that 610 won't be enough to even join parties for long.

You will be able to join even parties for the last floor in 610/ "entry gear" for a few weeks tops.
But reaching the last floor within a few weeks in PF is already quite the feat in PF and unlikely to be done on your alts. But past these first few weeks the ilvl to join will increase fairly quickly. You'll see 610 for the 1st floor but 615-620 is common for the 2nd and 3rd and you'll rarely see anything below 620 for the last floor, even if it's just getting past the door boss. People filter by ilvl after a few weeks.
"But gear doesn't mean someone is skilled!" - no, but people prefer to have an idiot in good gear over having an idiot in bad gear. It's not rocket science. And 610 is really pushing it for 3rd/ 4th floor, you need to be more than "okay" to pull that off, especially when your entire group is around that ilvl.

And right by the first couple of sentences you've just proved my point. The issue here are parties. PARTIES. Aka groups of people whom restrict the player base to their high standards. This is the same kind of hardcore raiding mentality that people give a lot of flak towards the WoW community and it seems the same is done in FFXIV.

Now I realize we cant fault PFs that make groups like this because anyone can do whatever the hell they want; if they want to farm they want to farm, but its also a social problem that its mostly relegated towards the community if the mentality is centered around getting fast clears. And personally it seems like the playerbase wants the dev team to babysit them to solve this problem for them rather than the community deal with their own problems and thats what I mean its sad.

Its sad that the mentality funny enough are the playerbase gatekeeping themselves rather than the game itself, and honestly this is an issue thats difficult to tackle because like I said there's reason for both sides here.

[R041]

Its sad that the mentality funny enough are the playerbase gatekeeping themselves rather than the game itself

[AnotherPerson]

And right by the first couple of sentences you've just proved my point. The issue here are parties. PARTIES. Aka groups of people whom restrict the player base to their high standards. This is the same kind of hardcore raiding mentality that people give a lot of flak towards the WoW community and it seems the same is done in FFXIV.

Now I realize we cant fault PFs that make groups like this because anyone can do whatever the hell they want; if they want to farm they want to farm, but its also a social problem that its mostly relegated towards the community if the mentality is centered around getting fast clears. And personally it seems like the playerbase wants the dev team to babysit them to solve this problem for them rather than the community deal with their own problems and thats what I mean its sad.

Its sad that the mentality funny enough are the playerbase gatekeeping themselves rather than the game itself, and honestly this is an issue thats difficult to tackle because like I said there's reason for both sides here.

Hold on, let me see if I'm following the topic correctly..

->Devs make fights tougher in later fights of the raid tier
->Players compensate increased difficulty by increasing ILVL requirements to meet this challenge as a way to ease the difficulty of the fight requirement when the party works together to beat the boss
->Players ask the devs for more ways to obtain high ILVL gear to allow more players to join these increased ILVL requirements in PF for later fights of the same raid tier due to the difference in ILVL between their main job and alt jobs after a couple of weeks later
->Proceeds to blame players for having the gall to respond to increasing difficulty by increasing ILVL requirements and condemns them for asking for more gear, saying its the player's fault for increasing standards

???
Did I miss something with your logic? If people want more ways to acquire gear to respond to the higher difficulty challenges and you rebut them by saying it's the parties that are at fault for not wanting to do MIN ILVL fight in PF instead of the devs, it's no longer the players who have a toxic hardcore raider mentality, it's you.