SE, no effort anywhere lately.

[Denhith]

But it's pretty widely known and believed that they just don't listen to what we want.

That's hilarious. Who is "we"? Widely known and believed by whom, exactly? That ploy is a typical fall back when you've clearly lost the argument. This forum is a hoot!

[R041]

That's hilarious. Who is "we"? Widely known and believed by whom, exactly? That ploy is a typical fall back when you've clearly lost the argument. This forum is a hoot!

There's a reason it's a meme.

Nothing in their formula has changed in the past 4 years because they don't listen.
Gearing sucks because they don't listen.
Variant is dead because they don't listen.
Eureka is impossible to coop because they don't listen.
FATEs still suck because they don't listen.
Roulettes are still ARR because they don't listen.
We're still doing daily Praetorium because they don't listen.
They continue to cull our Jobs because they don't listen.
Healing sucks because they don't listen.
Mogstation releases suck because they don't listen.
Dungeons are just hallways now because they don't listen.
Housing is still FOMO and sucks because they don't listen.
Adventure Plates are horrible and buggy still because they don't listen.
Open world is still dead because they don't listen.
They think Materia is a good reward because they don't listen.
Everything is a slow mess with confirmation boxes every 2 seconds because they don't listen.
They don't know what engaging gameplay is because they don't listen.

We mod FFXIV because they don't listen.

[Atelier-Bagur]

There's a reason it's a meme.

Nothing in their formula has changed in the past 4 years because they don't listen.
Gearing sucks because they don't listen.
Variant is dead because they don't listen.
Eureka is impossible to coop because they don't listen.
FATEs still suck because they don't listen.
Roulettes are still ARR because they don't listen.
We're still doing daily Praetorium because they don't listen.
They continue to cull our Jobs because they don't listen.
Healing sucks because they don't listen.
Mogstation releases suck because they don't listen.
Dungeons are just hallways now because they don't listen.
Housing is still FOMO and sucks because they don't listen.
Adventure Plates are horrible and buggy still because they don't listen.
Open world is still dead because they don't listen.
They think Materia is a good reward because they don't listen.
Everything is a slow mess with confirmation boxes every 2 seconds because they don't listen.
They don't know what engaging gameplay is because they don't listen.

We mod FFXIV because they don't listen.

Ok we get it, FFXIV is the worst MMO on the market.

[Padudu]

Ok we get it, FFXIV is the worst MMO on the market.

I mean its extreme but Eureka has been needing some TLC for a long time. Adventure Plates have consistently been a topic of frustration since it's left beta, there's little interest in Variant, ect. FFXIV is far from the worse MMO lol I think that much is obvious. I also think they tend to have selective hearing and abandon older content and refuse to really hear out issues when it comes to current content (looking at you, healers). I mean shoot, imagine how nice it'd be to give Bozja and Eureka a little love now and then, or even Squadrons.

[Atelier-Bagur]

I mean its extreme but Eureka has been needing some TLC for a long time. Adventure Plates have consistently been a topic of frustration since it's left beta, there's little interest in Variant, ect. FFXIV is far from the worse MMO lol I think that much is obvious. I also think they tend to have selective hearing and abandon older content and refuse to really hear out issues when it comes to current content (looking at you, healers). I mean shoot, imagine how nice it'd be to give Bozja and Eureka a little love now and then, or even Squadrons.

Naw, this game just sucks for anyone who's played it long enough. With tone deaf developers, greedy corporate business decisions, a story that blows, gameplay that sucks, community thats down right toxic, why are we all still playing this? Unless we're just all high on copium that things will get better. But they havent and never will be R041 and many others are a testament to how much this game has trapped them somehow despite they could do the more easy and effective way of making devs listen is by voting with their wallet and unsubscribing forever. Yet here they still are somehow, so whats even keeping them here.

Me personally, this game is clearly not perfect. Almost everything R041 pointed out are 100% valid complaints and I agree with them.




but I dont believe that they just dont "listen", nor do I hold as strong contempt to the devs for not being able to fix every single issue as quickly and efficiently as possible.

[xxmiamorecadenza]

but I dont believe that they just dont "listen", nor do I hold as strong contempt to the devs for not being able to fix every single issue as quickly and efficiently as possible.

But they've had years to fix certain issues - like the Viera and Hroth debacle - - or Bozja/Eureka - or finding a genuine remedy for housing - but it feels like they have a preference for band-aid fixes or simply ignoring it altogether.

[Atelier-Bagur]

But they've had years to fix certain issues - like the Viera and Hroth debacle - - or Bozja/Eureka - or finding a genuine remedy for housing - but it feels like they have a preference for band-aid fixes or simply ignoring it altogether.

If you know anything about game development business or ever worked within the industry, you would realize that with an on going project, its never as simple as just "fix everything" while trying to work on future content and adhering to a schedule. Its extremely easy for modders to fix them because they're not bound to this and can literally do anything they want. Its why they have to and rely on these band-aid fixes so they can still work on their content. Otherwise they'd have to do a complete halt on their production to satisfy ever single complaint shared here, which is not a viable practice (unless its an emergency like with 1.0-2.0) in the development team.

Am I excusing them? No, we still need to tell them about these issues, but I'm also about having a bit of perspective of things and I hate acting like everything is all an easy quick fix like some people whom never had been in the game development industry believe it can be. Having this "Us vs Them" mentality is not only cringe but idiotic imo

[R041]

But they havent and never will be R041 and many others are a testament to how much this game has trapped them somehow despite they could do the more easy and effective way of making devs listen is by voting with their wallet and unsubscribing forever. Yet here they still are somehow, so whats even keeping them here.

Unfortunately because I do get a little bit of a dopamine hit sometimes, and I absolutely love Final Fantasy in general. I also own a Med House and an FC with a Large House. So yeah I kinda feel trapped and I try my best to make my own fun with stuff like the Marketboard and crafting, because the game has a hard time of providing that for me most of the time otherwise. :/

The frustration doesn't really get to me personally more than it just prevents me from ever being able to invite any of my friends from playing. It does bother me that most FC members usually stop logging on after a month because they know they're stuck in an MSQ hell, or don't find the gameplay itself engaging no matter how active we try to be as a group.

Reality of it is, I've played this for so long and have been subbed since 1.0 - I don't really know how to log off anymore.

[Denhith]

There's a reason it's a meme.

Nothing in their formula has changed in the past 4 years because they don't listen.
Gearing sucks because they don't listen.
Variant is dead because they don't listen.
Eureka is impossible to coop because they don't listen.
FATEs still suck because they don't listen.
Roulettes are still ARR because they don't listen.
We're still doing daily Praetorium because they don't listen.
They continue to cull our Jobs because they don't listen.
Healing sucks because they don't listen.
Mogstation releases suck because they don't listen.
Dungeons are just hallways now because they don't listen.
Housing is still FOMO and sucks because they don't listen.
Adventure Plates are horrible and buggy still because they don't listen.
Open world is still dead because they don't listen.
They think Materia is a good reward because they don't listen.
Everything is a slow mess with confirmation boxes every 2 seconds because they don't listen.
They don't know what engaging gameplay is because they don't listen.

We mod FFXIV because they don't listen.

Sweet Jesus, if you genuinely feel that way then just unsub, log off and move on.

Seriously, you are clearly unhappy with the game. And it's obvious no one is going to convince you that the devs listen to ANY feedback at all--especially after that rant you just did.

I can't fathom someone being that resentful towards a game developer and the content they've created and yet still feel the need to support them because they feel "trapped".

You're a grown adult. The only one stopping you is yourself.

[R041]

You're a grown adult. The only one stopping you is yourself.

Yep. And I'll stay subbed so I can talk to you on this forum AND keep my house.

I wonder how many subs they'd lose if housing wasn't FOMO. lol

The general gameplay formula's been pretty much the same since Heavensward. So more like past 7 years. But they seem to be taking less chances as everything below Extreme has consistently been made easier and easier after Stormblood.

Yeah I'd argue it was Stormblood as the single point of fault. Instead of learning from Stormblood and adding more to the engaging gameplay, they just kinda kept.. Taking away.

So Endwalker feels like a really watered down version of Stormblood at this point.