SE, no effort anywhere lately.

[Striker44]

Do you genuinely think only a couple dozen people have grievances with the game? For that matter, do you unironically think airing grievances is the same thing as having no joy whatsoever from the game? Or, for that matter, that anyone falling into either of these categories somehow expects the world to revolve around them? 'Cause I got news for you, that isn't how the world works. You seem to make these baseless inferences pretty often.

Do I think the number of people who are utterly and absolutely bitter and do nothing but complain and badmouth the game on this forum are the absurdly minuscule minority? Absolutely.

Heck, the echo chamber itself admits it. They love to claim that there are evidently dozens upon dozens of reddits and other sites on the internet filled with overwhelming fanboys who accept no negative commentary, and how this forum is the only place in existence where you can say negative things. And when you look through the threads, it is in fact the same select people posting over and over again in thread after thread. Yet somehow, they believe they magically outnumber that massive number of other sites with ultra-fanboys.

Or just check out YT. On just one video there, you'll probably find more unique people posting about how much they're enjoying EW and how good they think it is than you'll find on this entire forum. That's not "baseless" - it's reality. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it any less real.

Also, yes, everything is open to criticism. But there's a difference between actual criticism and people just mindlessly bashing anything and everything, personally attacking the dev team, and doing the same to anyone who dare points out they actually enjoy something. That's not criticism - that's incredible immaturity doing nothing productive whatsoever, and a major flag that it's time to move on to something else.

The developers could design content that most people don't like (Island Sanctuary), or they could slow down on what makes the game great (less patch content). Don't you think that human error could tarnish your perfect design? What if the developers screw up? What if they're screwing up right now? Don't you think that's a possibility, or are they infallible? Will they ever make mistakes?

Where is your data on "most people don't like IS"? Right - it doesn't exist. And it's absolutely possible that they make mistakes. But when people just whine and attack the devs for literally everything, and then you juxtapose that against the reality that the game has the highest active playerbase ever this expansion, it's obvious such sentiments aren't anywhere near the norm, and it contributes nothing useful to anything.

[AwesomeJr44]

Where is your data on "most people don't like IS"? Right - it doesn't exist.

And neither does the supposed evidence of your fake majority, and yet here we are.

[Absimiliard]

Do I think the number of people who are utterly and absolutely bitter and do nothing but complain and badmouth the game on this forum are the absurdly minuscule minority? Absolutely.

Or just check out YT. On just one video there, you'll probably find more unique people posting about how much they're enjoying EW and how good they think it is than you'll find on this entire forum. That's not "baseless" - it's reality. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it any less real.

Ah, I see we're going to be moving goalposts tonight. Aight.

So here's the deal. Whether anyone wants to accept it or not, there are enough people dissatisfied with the current state of the game that it's become fairly easy to find videos, posts, etc. lodging various criticisms against it, many of which are in actuality legitimate by any reasonable standard. The things people don't like will never change if those criticisms aren't given voice. On any given day there are many thousands of posts regarding the game all over various media, which means the odds of any one voice reaching the developers is slim to none. Repetition is a seen as a way of increasing these odds, as is banding together.

"Majority" and "minority" aren't always so relevant as people often believe. If something is just objectively bad, it stands to reason people should be allowed to dogpile on it all they want until it gets fixed. If so many people are displeased with it that the dogpiling goes from small group to a large number, it should definitely be looked at. And yes, the Island Sanctuary is one of those things a lot of people have brought for gripes about. PLD was also something like this, and it got enough traction for them to finally "fix" it, although the way they "fixed" it left much to be desired judging by the incredible amount of negative feedback all over all sorts of media platforms.

It'll never be the majority doing anything, because the majority of players don't actually visit these forums, Reddit, or other such places where they might speak on the game. No criticism will truly be of the majority. Likewise, it will never truly be the majority attempting to repel these "unwashed naysayers," because they too represent a small minority when compared to the total player-base.

You're wasting your time with him. He's pretty much known for having a white knight-like attitude for this game.

[Zebraoracle]

Ah, I see we're going to be moving goalposts tonight. Aight.

So here's the deal. Whether anyone wants to accept it or not, there are enough people dissatisfied with the current state of the game that it's become fairly easy to find videos, posts, etc. lodging various criticisms against it, many of which are in actuality legitimate by any reasonable standard. The things people don't like will never change if those criticisms aren't given voice. On any given day there are many thousands of posts regarding the game all over various media, which means the odds of any one voice reaching the developers is slim to none. Repetition is a seen as a way of increasing these odds, as is banding together.

"Majority" and "minority" aren't always so relevant as people often believe. If something is just objectively bad, it stands to reason people should be allowed to dogpile on it all they want until it gets fixed. If so many people are displeased with it that the dogpiling goes from small group to a large number, it should definitely be looked at. And yes, the Island Sanctuary is one of those things a lot of people have brought for gripes about. PLD was also something like this, and it got enough traction for them to finally "fix" it, although the way they "fixed" it left much to be desired judging by the incredible amount of negative feedback all over all sorts of media platforms.

It'll never be the majority doing anything, because the majority of players don't actually visit these forums, Reddit, or other such places where they might speak on the game. No criticism will truly be of the majority. Likewise, it will never truly be the majority attempting to repel these "unwashed naysayers," because they too represent a small minority when compared to the total player-base.

It's funny how the ones who cry about echo chambers are the ones who are usually getting called out for posting a really bad take or something lol.

I see people on this forum who disagree with each other in one thread turn around and have conversations/agreements on another subject in another thread *all the time*. I feel like "echo chamber" is just a copout of "no one agreed with me, it can't be because I'm just flat out wrong" in most cases lol.

[Melorie]

Or just check out YT. On just one video there, you'll probably find more unique people posting about how much they're enjoying EW and how good they think it is than you'll find on this entire forum. That's not "baseless" - it's reality. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it any less real.

I feel like at some point you'll ask people to actually use youtube as a way of gathering census data whatsoever, because that's your argument for EVERYTHING lmao.