SE, no effort anywhere lately.

[Absimiliard]

It's the random couple dozen or so people here that the negative, bitter echo chamber on this forum willfully ignores is the minuscule minority compared to the hundreds of thousands of players who are very much enjoying the game. The bitter cabal can't stand that the world doesn't revolve around them. It's just immaturity, plain and simple.

Do you genuinely think only a couple dozen people have grievances with the game? For that matter, do you unironically think airing grievances is the same thing as having no joy whatsoever from the game? Or, for that matter, that anyone falling into either of these categories somehow expects the world to revolve around them? 'Cause I got news for you, that isn't how the world works. You seem to make these baseless inferences pretty often.

Did you know these forums exist in part so people can give voice to their criticisms and/or offer feedback? I'm not sure if you've somehow missed the plot on this one, but uh... offering criticism is in fact a sign someone cares about the game, not that they don't. No game is perfect. Every product, whether it's a game or a wheelchair, is open to criticism at all times.

[CaptainLagbeard]

Yeah I'd argue it was Stormblood as the single point of fault. Instead of learning from Stormblood and adding more to the engaging gameplay, they just kinda kept.. Taking away.

So Endwalker feels like a really watered down version of Stormblood at this point.

Shadowbringers was extremely great when it came to story, but it is also where the gameplay did start declining and Endwalker is mostly just continuing what it started. More standardization, even on the high-end content as demonstrated by their religious adherence to burst damage, and their obsession of trying to mold every Job to it.
Rather than make fights where different Jobs would be more functional, they rather just attempt to hastily redesign the Jobs which can leave them much worse off. Like PLD in the most recent patch... The tiniest bit of buffing it got was the Divine Might mechanic, but everything else is a straight up nerf.

[caffe_macchiato]

It's the random couple dozen or so people here that the negative, bitter echo chamber on this forum willfully ignores is the minuscule minority compared to the hundreds of thousands of players who are very much enjoying the game. The bitter cabal can't stand that the world doesn't revolve around them. It's just immaturity, plain and simple.

That's true! Except...one small problem. There's a slight (slight!) chance of human error in this whole process. The developers could design content that most people don't like (Island Sanctuary), or they could slow down on what makes the game great (less patch content). Don't you think that human error could tarnish your perfect design? What if the developers screw up? What if they're screwing up right now? Don't you think that's a possibility, or are they infallible? Will they ever make mistakes?

[Zebraoracle]

Do you genuinely think only a couple dozen people have grievances with the game? For that matter, do you unironically think airing grievances is the same thing as having no joy whatsoever from the game? Or, for that matter, that anyone falling into either of these categories somehow expects the world to revolve around them? 'Cause I got news for you, that isn't how the world works. You seem to make these baseless inferences pretty often.

Did you know these forums exist in part so people can give voice to their criticisms and/or offer feedback? I'm not sure if you've somehow missed the plot on this one, but uh... offering criticism is in fact a sign someone cares about the game, not that they don't. No game is perfect. Every product, whether it's a game or a wheelchair, is open to criticism at all times.

You're wasting your time with him. He's pretty much known for having a white knight-like attitude for this game.

[AwesomeJr44]

Do you genuinely think only a couple dozen people have grievances with the game?

To be 100% honest, I'm starting to wonder if he is just playing a character and doesn't actually believe half of the things he says. It wouldn't be surprising that someone would bother doing that considering Graeham/Lyth exists.

[Striker44]

Do you genuinely think only a couple dozen people have grievances with the game? For that matter, do you unironically think airing grievances is the same thing as having no joy whatsoever from the game? Or, for that matter, that anyone falling into either of these categories somehow expects the world to revolve around them? 'Cause I got news for you, that isn't how the world works. You seem to make these baseless inferences pretty often.

Do I think the number of people who are utterly and absolutely bitter and do nothing but complain and badmouth the game on this forum are the absurdly minuscule minority? Absolutely.

Heck, the echo chamber itself admits it. They love to claim that there are evidently dozens upon dozens of reddits and other sites on the internet filled with overwhelming fanboys who accept no negative commentary, and how this forum is the only place in existence where you can say negative things. And when you look through the threads, it is in fact the same select people posting over and over again in thread after thread. Yet somehow, they believe they magically outnumber that massive number of other sites with ultra-fanboys.

Or just check out YT. On just one video there, you'll probably find more unique people posting about how much they're enjoying EW and how good they think it is than you'll find on this entire forum. That's not "baseless" - it's reality. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it any less real.

Also, yes, everything is open to criticism. But there's a difference between actual criticism and people just mindlessly bashing anything and everything, personally attacking the dev team, and doing the same to anyone who dare points out they actually enjoy something. That's not criticism - that's incredible immaturity doing nothing productive whatsoever, and a major flag that it's time to move on to something else.

The developers could design content that most people don't like (Island Sanctuary), or they could slow down on what makes the game great (less patch content). Don't you think that human error could tarnish your perfect design? What if the developers screw up? What if they're screwing up right now? Don't you think that's a possibility, or are they infallible? Will they ever make mistakes?

Where is your data on "most people don't like IS"? Right - it doesn't exist. And it's absolutely possible that they make mistakes. But when people just whine and attack the devs for literally everything, and then you juxtapose that against the reality that the game has the highest active playerbase ever this expansion, it's obvious such sentiments aren't anywhere near the norm, and it contributes nothing useful to anything.

[AwesomeJr44]

Where is your data on "most people don't like IS"? Right - it doesn't exist.

And neither does the supposed evidence of your fake majority, and yet here we are.

[Zebraoracle]

While I don't think the devs "don't listen" (I think it's a mix of they only somewhat listen to some things and are blocked by corporate and game limitations for the rest), I'm curious where the "mindless bashing" on pointing out these very real issues is.

There's a reason it's a meme.

Nothing in their formula has changed in the past 4 years because they don't listen.
Gearing sucks because they don't listen.
Variant is dead because they don't listen.
Eureka is impossible to coop because they don't listen.
FATEs still suck because they don't listen.
Roulettes are still ARR because they don't listen.
We're still doing daily Praetorium because they don't listen.
They continue to cull our Jobs because they don't listen.
Healing sucks because they don't listen.
Mogstation releases suck because they don't listen.
Dungeons are just hallways now because they don't listen.
Housing is still FOMO and sucks because they don't listen.
Adventure Plates are horrible and buggy still because they don't listen.
Open world is still dead because they don't listen.
They think Materia is a good reward because they don't listen.
Everything is a slow mess with confirmation boxes every 2 seconds because they don't listen.
They don't know what engaging gameplay is because they don't listen.

We mod FFXIV because they don't listen.

[Absimiliard]

Do I think the number of people who are utterly and absolutely bitter and do nothing but complain and badmouth the game on this forum are the absurdly minuscule minority? Absolutely.

Or just check out YT. On just one video there, you'll probably find more unique people posting about how much they're enjoying EW and how good they think it is than you'll find on this entire forum. That's not "baseless" - it's reality. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it any less real.

Ah, I see we're going to be moving goalposts tonight. Aight.

So here's the deal. Whether anyone wants to accept it or not, there are enough people dissatisfied with the current state of the game that it's become fairly easy to find videos, posts, etc. lodging various criticisms against it, many of which are in actuality legitimate by any reasonable standard. The things people don't like will never change if those criticisms aren't given voice. On any given day there are many thousands of posts regarding the game all over various media, which means the odds of any one voice reaching the developers is slim to none. Repetition is a seen as a way of increasing these odds, as is banding together.

"Majority" and "minority" aren't always so relevant as people often believe. If something is just objectively bad, it stands to reason people should be allowed to dogpile on it all they want until it gets fixed. If so many people are displeased with it that the dogpiling goes from small group to a large number, it should definitely be looked at. And yes, the Island Sanctuary is one of those things a lot of people have brought for gripes about. PLD was also something like this, and it got enough traction for them to finally "fix" it, although the way they "fixed" it left much to be desired judging by the incredible amount of negative feedback all over all sorts of media platforms.

It'll never be the majority doing anything, because the majority of players don't actually visit these forums, Reddit, or other such places where they might speak on the game. No criticism will truly be of the majority. Likewise, it will never truly be the majority attempting to repel these "unwashed naysayers," because they too represent a small minority when compared to the total player-base.

You're wasting your time with him. He's pretty much known for having a white knight-like attitude for this game.

[Padudu]

Sweet Jesus, if you genuinely feel that way then just unsub, log off and move on.

Seriously, you are clearly unhappy with the game. And it's obvious no one is going to convince you that the devs listen to ANY feedback at all--especially after that rant you just did.

I can't fathom someone being that resentful towards a game developer and the content they've created and yet still feel the need to support them because they feel "trapped".

You're a grown adult. The only one stopping you is yourself.

Funny how you keep coming back in this thread to tell people to move on, maybe you have a problem yourself lol.

Also, devs don't listen even to the good feedback on this forum soooo..