Far Northern Attire

[Zsolen]

So you don't think there's something wrong with giving a sacred ceremonial headdress to the leader of an organization that actively worked to destroy your entire people's culture?

Within the context, it made sense. The chief that presented it to the Pope was a survivor. The Pope himself is not individually responsible but was there to ask forgiveness on behalf of the church and was in return respected for the move. Of course you can take it out of context as a cheap shot at a church of over 1 billion people. I'm not even found of Pope Francis, but attacking the chief for presenting it is ridiculous, and the only reason anyone would attack that chief is if they hate Catholics in general.

[Melorie]

So you don't think there's something wrong with giving a sacred ceremonial headdress to the leader of an organization that actively worked to destroy your entire people's culture?

You think it's best if this particular indigenous group keep on nurturing hate for the church forever? Should they throw a dagger at the pope in retaliation? They can't celebrate a figure like the new Pope which is far more understanding, for example?
What next, they can't have cellphones or actively engage in current society?
Acting like such gesture equals their headdress to a tennis shoes is so ridiculous.

[hydralus]

Within the context, it made sense. The chief that presented it to the Pope was a survivor. The Pope himself is not individually responsible but was there to ask forgiveness on behalf of the church and was in return respected for the move. Of course you can take it out of context as a cheap shot at a church of over 1 billion people. I'm not even found of Pope Francis, but attacking the chief for presenting it is ridiculous, and the only reason anyone would attack that chief is if they hate Catholics in general.

It did not make sense at all within the context. Any more than it made sense that this same chief worked for years to convince Native people to accept an oil pipeline being built on their land. Just another corporate bootlicker who cares more about money than the planet and their people. My mother was a residential school survivor as well and it makes me sick to see him give away a sacred symbol for what is essentially an apology for crimes against humanity.

[Zsolen]

It did not make sense at all within the context. Any more than it made sense that this same chief worked for years to convince Native people to accept an oil pipeline being built on their land. Just another corporate bootlicker who cares more about money than the planet and their people. My mother was a residential school survivor as well and it makes me sick to see him give away a sacred symbol for what is essentially an apology for crimes against humanity.

You seem to be the type that only sees one side of things.

[hydralus]

You seem to be the type that only sees one side of things.

So you also want to deny that oil corporations are destroying the planet when all scientific evidence points to that being a fact? I mean sheesh.

[hydralus]

You think it's best if this particular indigenous group keep on nurturing hate for the church forever? Should they throw a dagger at the pope in retaliation? They can't celebrate a figure like the new Pope which is far more understanding, for example?
What next, they can't have cellphones or actively engage in current society?
Acting like such gesture equals their headdress to a tennis shoes is so ridiculous.

Or they could have done the reasonable thing and just accept the apology rather than handing over one of the most revered cultural symbols to the leader of the organization that did those crimes. Or are we going to act like not handing over a headdress for an apology is equivalent to stabbing them?

[Zsolen]

So you also want to deny that oil corporations are destroying the planet when all scientific evidence points to that being a fact? I mean sheesh.

Vary your sources, and you will understand quite a bit more about things, not that I think oil companies are wonderful.

Or they could have done the reasonable thing and just accept the apology rather than handing over one of the most revered cultural symbols to the leader of the organization that did those crimes. Or are we going to act like not handing over a headdress for an apology is equivalent to stabbing them?

It was his decision. He is a chief. He was a victim himself. Your hatred would be a bit more understandable, if Pope Francis himself was involved. Do you even know what Pope Francis did that would earn respect?

[Greyhawk]

Comparing tennis shoes to some indigenous cultures attire. Apples to monkeys.

Comparing video game attire to an indigenous culture's attire. Apples to monkeys.

Why did no one tear apart the indigenous Native American attire that's in game? You know, the New World set? You know why? Because Native Americans aren't looking for a payday, and most Native Americans are proud to have their culture and heritage presented in many forms, including names, attire and ways of life. It still baffles me to this day that someone wants to be proud of a culture and/or heritage but is blasphemed for it because they didn't come from it, yet put their blood, sweat and tears into it. There wasn't even a stink about it on these forums with the exception of the war bonnet, which I can understand. But - they never removed it. And, they shouldn't remove it. Nor should they remove this set.

[Melorie]

Or they could have done the reasonable thing and just accept the apology rather than handing over one of the most revered cultural symbols to the leader of the organization that did those crimes. Or are we going to act like not handing over a headdress for an apology is equivalent to stabbing them?

Even if you were right, and this particular action was wrong. What this has anything to do with the discussion we are having here? One act makes the milenar context around a headress unimportant? You still believe it's fair to compare it to a tennis shoes?

Comparing video game attire to an indigenous culture's attire. Apples to monkeys.

Why did no one tear apart the indigenous Native American attire that's in game? You know, the New World set? You know why? Because Native Americans aren't looking for a payday, and most Native Americans are proud to have their culture and heritage presented in many forms, including names, attire and ways of life. It still baffles me to this day that someone wants to be proud of a culture and/or heritage but is blasphemed for it because they didn't come from it, yet put their blood, sweat and tears into it. There wasn't even a stink about it on these forums with the exception of the war bonnet, which I can understand. But - they never removed it. And, they shouldn't remove it. Nor should they remove this set.

Native americans aren't a monolith. One resolution of a group of people shouldn't also be the resolution for ALL groups that exist. There are so many discussion around movies like Pocahontas, Brother Bear and how they could've done better to the people that they were inspired by. There are many indigenous in south america, for example, that provide the same discussion over and over again regarding corporations making money with their culture, technology and arts and never providing something back to these communities. They're also in america, so? Again, stop cherry-picking whatever fits YOUR beliefs to act like the discussion around the subject shouldn't exist.

[Greyhawk]

Culture has no property, yet a culture doesn't exist without it's people. Culture, traditions, ancestral techniques and knowledge are maintained and passed on by a specific group of people that nurture it. Culture is also a choice and it's not hollow, it has context and people behind it. If society is not able to actually include the people that are making this culture alive and hold the knowledge, involving it into artistic processes and the production of entertainment regarding that culture, it dies.

EXACTLY THE POINT HERE! And I bet you didn't even realize it. This is exactly what is going on with a video game attire! OMG, and you are advocating against it, L.O.L.

Yes, this is a video-game, but the mind-set is the same. You might want to try pick a game and act like it's something that has little to do with society and how you view the world but at the end of the day a video-game is a product of the entertainment industry. The logistics behind the company choices impact things, it exists, it is part of our world, it's not your safe bubble so I'm not sure why you can't bring important discussions into it. You can bring a mashup of different cultures, and histories and narratives with morals and values and messages but you can't talk about a discussion present in the real world? Oh please, spare me. People love to talk about how "deep" and "beautiful" ffxiv history specially because it talks about society, but they still want to think that a video-game shouldn't allow any discussions that exist in the real world when it constantly benefits from it.

New World set in game. 'Nuff said. Why aren't you screaming about that attire in game? If any set was culture appropriation, it's this one! What about the entire theme of Radz-at-Han and the culture there? Why aren't you mad about culture appropriation there?
And, what the hell are you even talking about? Who said we couldn't have discussion about it? You are pointing out that I disagree with this Sami Council money grab tactic, and I'm saying we can't discuss it? Where did I say that? Your implications about not being able to discuss it versus video game content is astounding. Truly.

I know this isn't about me, and it's not even about you contrary to your private legendary opinion. I wasn't even comparing myself to this - I was pointing out a simple fact of how overboard, woke shit, overly sensitive people are being about video game attire - and no one here is affected - at all - about it. Sami Council isn't offended - they are mad because they aren't making anything from it, and that is the core issue. It's not offensive, they just don't have their name on the shirt tag.

Hypocrites.