Was any of the 6.3 content worth waiting 4 months for?

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

When people are against even the basic idea of adding more content to a game,

When was this said? My goodness, Id love a freaking link and/or a screenshot to these claims. Maybe I missed it since there are SO many threads here, but I keep seeing these claims but I never see it in action. Im not saying it doesnt exist, but I would love to request if yall could add a Link to prove this is a thing, because who here on this thread ever said this?
Oh its on another thread, please a link.
Just so I know you arnt making it up out of thin air, for some unknown & weird reason.

The fact that some people want to be told to not play the game they're paying for is mind-boggling.

Its a suggestion......other games exist y'know, you also paid for those games. (unless they literally were free)
I hope nobody has forgotten that you can do other things in life lol.
Never be afraid to, and always voice your opinion and concern.....but its pretty unhealthy to just do that "all the time" Sure you can argue that if you still ahve complaints, then there is still issues...but not everyone shares that mindset, some people like what you dont like and Vice Versa.

you will occasionally see mention on these forums of people being harassed in-game and on other media for criticisms of the game. When brought up, these instances are typically dismissed as being fictional. Such dismissals will occur regardless of the presence of absence of evidence

Such as....?
I mean again, maybe I just missed it since there are so many threads, and Im not gonna keep up with every single topic...thats just not realistic.
But it also just sounds wrong that any form of Harassment is just 'waved off' especially with proof and evidence.

[AwesomeJr44]

What you're debating for is not new content, its for lasting content that involves needless grinds. Lets be honest here awesomeJr, you're not fooling anyone with this.

You haven't read even the first few pages of the thread if you genuinely think this (which I doubt most of you actually do). I've specifically mentioned that I don't want 'hellgrinds' as it's been named previously. Unending grinds is the opposite extreme of what we have now. I'm not calling for FFXIV to be hurtled into that extreme, but rather go somewhere in the middle. Sadly it seems like anytime anyone asks for that, they are misinterpreted (intentionally or not) to be asking for 'hellgrinds'. People are too scared to admit/realize that we're at the opposite extreme of WoW, and that both extremes are bad.



(middle is meant to say "lasting non-required content for those who want it. It's really late here and I'm half asleep LOL)

When was this said? My goodness, Id love a freaking link and/or a screenshot to these claims.

When this very thread was created, there were near instantly people arguing that you're supposed to not play the game you're paying for outside of 'major patches'. (in quotes because calling 6.3 a major patch is hilarious).

Really well done. How to misinterpret something on purpose is a skill you 100% have.

It's a skill that's becoming more and more common around these parts.

[Raoabolic]

Do both? No clue what that means exactly. But I'll bite.
If a fast food joint has lowered the quality of their foods to a level you personally dislike, you wouldnt continue to buy food from them. Losing customers is what makes companies move. If you're writing bad reviews but still going there every day (making this known) they don't care as they're still getting your money. They've no reason to change anything. That's my point. So yes you can complain and still stay subbed, just understand that it's not going to be as effective doing that.

ARR came about due to people leaving 1.0. Just sayin

You know you can still enjoy something while pointing out their shortcomings, especially when they have done better in the past. For example, why lock out viera and hrothgar helms by citing clipping? Half of the modern gearsets that they release clip like a bad doom mod as soon as you move so why use that excuse? Come on, you gotta do better than "Just unsub, hater!". That sort player mentality killed WoW and other MMOs in the past. Though considering how people are, we sure do love to repeat history, lmao.

[RyuDragnier]

Yep yep. It's why I said "they're working on content for the future, which needs a lot of work than the features we have now". Graphical updates are NO freaking joke x_x

But it is weird. I don't know how much of their time is being taken. But... and this is obviously purely subjective and all that. It just feels like the stuff we're getting is kind of... half-arsed? Like, it's coming out a bit more barebones than usual. Ears being cut off, plots being glitched, content being rather barebones and simplistic. And I wonder if something happened.

Again: this is disproven easily by anyone with more knowledge than I. As well as how the majority of this is based entirely on "me feeling like the quality is dodgy". Didn't Yoshida do a presentation on what their workflow is being like and what stuff requires the most time? It'd easily disprove a lot of it, I'm sure.

As Roabolic pointed out, they likely borrowed people who worked on FF14 to work on FF16. As I recall, the writer for FF16 is the same writer who gave us Heavensward, and I don't doubt that other devs were also taken from FF14 to help get FF16 up and running. There's a good possibility that we'll be seeing more stuff once FF16 is out the door. Hopefully there will be 0 DLC for FF16 just to guarantee it.

[Midareyukki]

I mean...Awesome is the same person who is seemingly has issues with any time someone pushes back against pushback. You can't tell folks who have issues that there aren't any in your opinion without them labeling you as something. We've seen it 100 times here already.

You can even say that the game has flaws but if you push back against pushback you're labeled a white knight etc. regardless

Oh that I know. I've been jumped on by Awesome before. It's not very awesome of them to do so.

On that post I was referring to Zanarkand saying that "no one ever claimed [that SE cannot go wrong at all, whatsoever]". Which from experience... yes there are people who do that. Imagine a spectrum: They are on one end and call people white knights, and those people are on the other end and call others toxic. Both sides will push and label.

It was toward Zanarkand specifically, on that other polar opposite existing. Because I too have been called toxic for simply saying "You can at least consider Square Enix isn't doing a satisfying job here" x,x

I otherwise am very much aware of this.

As Roabolic pointed out, they likely borrowed people who worked on FF14 to work on FF16. As I recall, the writer for FF16 is the same writer who gave us Heavensward, and I don't doubt that other devs were also taken from FF14 to help get FF16 up and running. There's a good possibility that we'll be seeing more stuff once FF16 is out the door. Hopefully there will be 0 DLC for FF16 just to guarantee it.

I assume this is true. My only issue with it is that I'd be okay with it if they didn't tell us "Oh everything's going well despite that!" when we've been shown otherwise.

Still. When 16 comes out and all's done, we'll see how FF14 progresses. Assuming the majority does return :x SE has the tendency to ship people to other departments sometimes, like the person who was going to do Carbuncle Glamours.

As for DLC... a standalone triple A game? ...you can bet your sweet bippy that's getting monetization tactics.

[Raoabolic]

Hopefully there will be 0 DLC for FF16 just to guarantee it.

I would like to think that's the case, but I seriously doubt SE has the willpower for that, lmao.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

When this very thread was created, there were near instantly people arguing that you're supposed to not play the game you're paying for outside of 'major patches'. (in quotes because calling 6.3 a major patch is hilarious).

Please
Provide
a Link
or a Quote
To these Claims.

[Atelier-Bagur]

You haven't read even the first few pages of the thread if you genuinely think this (which I doubt most of you actually do). I've specifically mentioned that I don't want 'hellgrinds' as it's been named previously. Unending grinds is the opposite extreme of what we have now. I'm not calling for FFXIV to be hurtled into that extreme, but rather go somewhere in the middle. Sadly it seems like anytime anyone asks for that, they are misinterpreted (intentionally or not) to be asking for 'hellgrinds'. People are too scared to admit/realize that we're at the opposite extreme of WoW, and that both extremes are bad.

Yet this graph isnt realistic. Please for the love of the Twelve tell me where ANY player realistically felt satisfied with a piece of content that lasted and kept that retention for the "sweet spot" of retention you place here. Everyone I interacted, everyone whom I known in other MMOs have either min-max the content to finish it early or do it long enough to lose interest and move on to something else. Every piece of content in this game including relics never last long enough to pad out the patch cycle. It has always been a get your fill and come back later scenario. Why are we pretending it wasnt always like this?

[IkaraGreydancer]

You know you can still enjoy something while pointing out their shortcomings, especially when they have done better in the past. For example, why lock out viera and hrothgar helms by citing clipping? Half of the modern gearsets that they release clip like a bad doom mod as soon as you move so why use that excuse? Come on, you gotta do better than "Just unsub, hater!". That sort player mentality killed WoW and other MMOs in the past. Though considering how people are, we sure do love to repeat history, lmao.

Ok...I wanted to believe you were paying attention but it's clear here you aren't. First off I specifically mentioned folk who complain all the time. You know the ones that say the game is dead, dying, boring? Not the average player that has some grievances. I've never ONCE called anyone a hater. All I did was simply give some advice to said EXTREME side if they want to be heard by the devs. No where near a "just unsub hater"...this is exactly what I was referring to btw. Yall hop to these conclusions any time someone says something you don't like. I'm trying to help. Literally that was my only goal with that post...

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Yet this graph isnt realistic. Please for the love of the Twelve tell me where ANY player realistically felt satisfied with a piece of content that lasted and kept that retention for the "sweet spot" of retention you place here. Everyone I interacted, everyone whom I known in other MMOs have either min-max the content to finish it early or do it long enough to lose interest and move on to something else. Every piece of content in this game including relics never last long enough to pad out the patch cycle. It has always been a get your fill and come back later scenario. Why are we pretending it wasnt always like this?

Bouncing off of this....once again...saying this for the 3rd time...maybe I just missed it since there is so many threads here.
But...what kind of Content are you asking for, that would realistically fill this "Lasting Content"? If the solution is to just make more content, then the sacrifice is we'd have to wait EVEN LONGER for the next patch so they could make this 'Lasting Content'.
And lets humor the idea that this is what they do.....who is to say that you wont somehow blast through it all in a Short amount of time because likely you decided not to do anythng else but play all the games new content?
Guess what...Back to squareone, complaining there isnt any/enough content, and now you have to wait...god who knows how long. But there is a solution to this...one that you claim you arnt asking for, but its the only way TO make "Lasting Content"...a ridiculous and dumb Hellgrind.This is the only way to pad out content to last. And not everybody wants this.

The next complain will be "The Grind is too much, Nerf it"
And guess what this means?...Absolutely, nothing, got solved.