Need advice: static imploding because of cheater.

[MaxCarnage]

Ah yes, the colorblind options that are very poorly designed and people seek other options because the ones in game just don't cut it.

I'm not saying there aren't QoL mods. I'm saying ACT is not accessibility. There are a lot of mods that aren't about accessibility. A lot of them are for convenience. But I know you like to spin stuff from seeing how you speak with others. You don't look for discussion. You look to "win".

That's the thing, a lot of people involved in raiding don't think convenience tools such as ACT or minor UI enhancements are cheating. It doesn't give you any information you're not supposed to have, it just presents them nicely.
Could you reach high level of play without ACT? Personally I believe so, as long as you still make the efforts to improve and seek feedback. I even think ACT isn't really needed as much if you already know your stuff.
Is it easier with ACT? Definitely.
Is it cheating to use ACT? My opinion is still no, because I don't think learning to play your job by looking through the chat log or using jank systems such as Stone Sky Sea is part of the intented challenge of the game. Intended difficulty is the key word, and this is why some add-ons see more tolerance than others, especially mods which remove some unintended inconvenience.
Yes, the devs intended the fights to be clearable without third party tools. But did they want us to never look at job guides and try to ignore the existence of fflogs despite it being a huge part of the raiding community since Heavensward, being an influence in every single job guide, rotation and even their own balancing? Did they intend every fight to be cleared with high ping, disabilities and without voice chat?

I get where you're coming from, but I have to reiterate that I have never said ACT was or wasn't cheating. I was simply addressing previously that there are in game features that do the same thing so ACT is not required to be a better player, and that ACT is about convenience rather than accessibility as all it does is take information from the game. Take with that what you will. I'm not here to discuss whether ACT is cheating or not. So while I appreciate you sharing your opinion, don't get me wrong, I just feel like it's being directed at the wrong person.

[Bobby66]

I'm not saying there aren't QoL mods. I'm saying ACT is not accessibility. There are a lot of mods that aren't about accessibility. A lot of them are for convenience. But I know you like to spin stuff from seeing how you speak with others. You don't look for discussion. You look to "win".



I get where you're coming from, but I have to reiterate that I have never said ACT was or wasn't cheating. I was simply addressing previously that there are in game features that do the same thing so ACT is not required to be a better player, and that ACT is about convenience rather than accessibility as all it does is take information from the game. Take with that what you will. I'm not here to discuss whether ACT is cheating or not. So while I appreciate you sharing your opinion, don't get me wrong, I just feel like it's being directed at the wrong person.

Isn't accessibility dependent on the user? Is it fair for us to say what one is convince and what is accessibility? At the core accessibility options are designed to allow players to enjoy the game that may not be otherwise able to enjoy it correct? I know of many raiders that see ACT as a key part of their game play experience and if they had to manually input combat data they would not be able to enjoy the game any more.

I think this is an important point right here. There are people in the thread conflating cheating with breaking TOS when they're not automatically the same thing. Are all mods against TOS? Yes, and I'm pretty sure everyone agrees. Disregarding cosmetic mods for obvious reasons, are all combat-use mods cheating? No, they're not.

Interesting point also about this is when did breaking the ToS become such taboo. This seems like a fairly modern occurrence where the communities seem to have such a disdain for ToS breakers. I ran into a in pokemon but it truth I never saw it outside that community until like 10 years ago. Maybe it is because back then I was a kid and did not care about the ToS and stuff and only notice it now as an adult.

[Kazhar]

I get where you're coming from, but I have to reiterate that I have never said ACT was or wasn't cheating. I was simply addressing previously that there are in game features that do the same thing so ACT is not required to be a better player, and that ACT is about convenience rather than accessibility as all it does is take information from the game. Take with that what you will. I'm not here to discuss whether ACT is cheating or not. So while I appreciate you sharing your opinion, don't get me wrong, I just feel like it's being directed at the wrong person.

Ah sorry if my post was worded ambiguously. I actually agree with most points you made and my answer wasn't directed at you, but the general discussion about cheating.

[Zebraoracle]

I'm not saying there aren't QoL mods. I'm saying ACT is not accessibility. There are a lot of mods that aren't about accessibility. A lot of them are for convenience. But I know you like to spin stuff from seeing how you speak with others. You don't look for discussion. You look to "win".



I get where you're coming from, but I have to reiterate that I have never said ACT was or wasn't cheating. I was simply addressing previously that there are in game features that do the same thing so ACT is not required to be a better player, and that ACT is about convenience rather than accessibility as all it does is take information from the game. Take with that what you will. I'm not here to discuss whether ACT is cheating or not. So while I appreciate you sharing your opinion, don't

Ah, I see you missed my point (tbf it wasn't worded great and wasn't specifically aimed at you) and chose to hit me with a claim that far better fits the hyperzealous anti-mod crowd that's been in this thread. Not sure what I've spun or how I don't seek discussion, but whatever lol

Anyways, my point is aimed at the whole "modding is cheating" discourse that's been going on, and basically, like another person said, adding options that make up for for the poorly designed/not designed in game options both isn't cheating and still adds accessibility to the game. Convenience, in my eyes, IS accessibility, I think the two go hand in hand.