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    Player SeiyaSoiya's Avatar
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    Hariette Reina-cuento
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    Marilith
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Stormpeaks View Post
    and you should also accept that people left your static, you fucked around and found out
    no I didn't, I did exactly what was expected of me to do according to the procedure that was applied to UNNAMED_
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    Player Stormpeaks's Avatar
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    Maya Jcb
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    Halicarnassus
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    Dancer Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya View Post
    no I didn't, I did exactly what was expected of me to do according to the procedure that was applied to UNNAMED_
    yeah yeah muh TOS I know I know dont worry, well as I said you fucked around and found out, you thought you were the only one that mattered in the static, and people showed you otherwise.

    Seems like things worked out
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    Saraide Derosa
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    Odin
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Need advice: How to make myself look like I'm asking for advice when really I just want to be told I did everything right.
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    Payadopa Astraya
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    Spriggan
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    Conjurer Lv 71
    Quote Originally Posted by Kazhar View Post
    That's the thing, a lot of people involved in raiding don't think convenience tools such as ACT or minor UI enhancements are cheating. It doesn't give you any information you're not supposed to have, it just presents them nicely.
    Could you reach high level of play without ACT? Personally I believe so, as long as you still make the efforts to improve and seek feedback. I even think ACT isn't really needed as much if you already know your stuff.
    Is it easier with ACT? Definitely.
    Is it cheating to use ACT? My opinion is still no, because I don't think learning to play your job by looking through the chat log or using jank systems such as Stone Sky Sea is part of the intented challenge of the game. Intended difficulty is the key word, and this is why some add-ons see more tolerance than others, especially mods which remove some unintended inconvenience.
    Yes, the devs intended the fights to be clearable without third party tools. But did they want us to never look at job guides and try to ignore the existence of fflogs despite it being a huge part of the raiding community since Heavensward, being an influence in every single job guide, rotation and even their own balancing? Did they intend every fight to be cleared with high ping, disabilities and without voice chat?
    They don't need to give people more tools to make harassment more convenient. I raid and the gray area is fine. Same with PvP chat. If you doubt that, look no further than the tryhards here that think if a dungeon run takes a minute longer it constitutes harassment. All it does it push the envelope under the guise of QoL. Sadly, a lot of people just can't handle a calculator.
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    Player Kolaina's Avatar
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    Hazy Dreams
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    Balmung
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    Marauder Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Mosha View Post
    who's opinion is worth more some guy who has a Stormblood doggo or someone who actively raids savage?
    Oh my don’t make me stand up for zephyr. It doesn’t matter if he doesn’t have any mounts or current raid experience. They are entitled to their opinion. The way you’re really hammering on the “you don’t have mount” and “you just unsynced them” is both cringey and pathetic. Sing a different tune. You’ve gotten stale real quick.
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    Player Sesera's Avatar
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    Komi Shouko
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    Zodiark
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    Dancer Lv 62
    Quote Originally Posted by Kolaina View Post
    Oh my don’t make me stand up for zephyr. It doesn’t matter if he doesn’t have any mounts or current raid experience. They are entitled to their opinion. The way you’re really hammering on the “you don’t have mount” and “you just unsynced them” is both cringey and pathetic. Sing a different tune. You’ve gotten stale real quick.
    It's their opinion that the lack of mount indicate a lack of raiding experience and they are entitled to it.
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    ZephyrMenodora's Avatar
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    Zephyr Menodora
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    Zalera
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kolaina View Post
    Oh my don’t make me stand up for zephyr. It doesn’t matter if he doesn’t have any mounts or current raid experience. They are entitled to their opinion. The way you’re really hammering on the “you don’t have mount” and “you just unsynced them” is both cringey and pathetic. Sing a different tune. You’ve gotten stale real quick.
    Seeing this quote brought a tear to my eye. What is going on here? <3

    And yes I had to make it weird.
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    Last edited by ZephyrMenodora; 02-20-2023 at 01:47 AM.

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    Saraide Derosa
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    Odin
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    People unsyncing content but caring about the legitimacy of the clears of others, yea okay sure.
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    Zephyr Menodora
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    Zalera
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    People unsyncing content but caring about the legitimacy of the clears of others, yea okay sure.
    It's almost as though unsyncing is something the Dev's implemented in their game for old content that no longer carries the same level (or any) prestige, and cheating is not only not a game feature, but against the TOS. But yes, I guess those are the same thing or you can make analogies from them.
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    Player Kolaina's Avatar
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    Hazy Dreams
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    Balmung
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sesera View Post
    It's their opinion that the lack of mount indicate a lack of raiding experience and they are entitled to it.
    Not having mounts doesn’t discredit an opinion. Especially pertaining to mods
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