Need advice: static imploding because of cheater.

[Kolaina]

Waaaah waaah waaaah, what people do is not my business.

Yet here you are making what someone did your business. Interesting

[MaxCarnage]

Yes, and so is crossing a red light for pedestrians even if it's 3 AM and there's no cars around, so ? Do you see cops going all over the place arresting or giving citations to people crossing red pedestrian lights when there's no cars around ? No. Except overzealous cops.

Is it agaisnt TOS ? Yes, does anyone care aside from a small minority ? No.

You would only do it then because you know you wouldn't be caught. If there was a chance you could be caught, you wouldn't do it. Just knowing they can give you a ticket.

It's the same with mods. People know they are "illegal", so they hide them. Don't need to hide something if it's okay.

[Stormpeaks]

You would only do it then because you know you wouldn't be caught. If there was a chance you could be caught, you wouldn't do it. Just knowing they can give you a ticket.

It's the same with mods. People know they are "illegal", so they hide them. Don't need to hide something if it's okay.

I mean in the end it is okay since they arent banned, so? Where is the problem ? The day it's enforced and everyone with ACT or other things of the likes, and plugins and mods get all banned, I'll agree with you.

Until then, what other people do is not my problem, if they want to play from the ISS, if they want to play with callouts, if they want to play naked, it aint my issue, its theirs. There is no risk for me if I dont use them so what they do doesnt bother me.

[CrimsonThunder]

I mean in the end it is okay since they arent banned, so? Where is the problem ? The day it's enforced and everyone with ACT or other things of the likes, and plugins and mods get all banned, I'll agree with you.

Until then, what other people do is not my problem, if they want to play from the ISS, if they want to play with callouts, if they want to play naked, it aint my issue, its theirs. There is no risk for me if I dont use them so what they do doesnt bother me.

Let me ask a hypothetical question, if we did lose Ultimate over these players and potentially others down the line would that not bother you in any way?

[Kolaina]

It would, yes, but that wouldnt be because of "these players", it would be because of Yoshi P and every dev that was involved in taking that decision. If we have to remove every piece of content that can be ""cheated"", then remove roulettes,pvp,extremes,ultimates,crafting and gathering, and let us just sit in limsa all day.

It would be because of players who chose to cheat. Instead of getting rid of things that can be cheated, get rid of the cheaters. Makes far more sense than your tantrum of an approach

[Stormpeaks]

It would be because of players who chose to cheat. Instead of getting rid of things that can be cheated, get rid of the cheaters. Makes far more sense than your tantrum of an approach

lmao oh give me a break, there is no need to remove content because people use a zoom hack or use mods to look better on their screen

stop with the excuses

[EstelleCere]

I haven't really bothered to read through this whole thread but I think I can agree with what others are saying, that OP should've talked to the member before kicking them, and talking to their other members in the static before doing anything, at least that's what I would've done. Could leave the static if everyone was agreeing with the other person, just so that it wouldn't be ruining the progress for other members.

[Bobby66]

You would only do it then because you know you wouldn't be caught. If there was a chance you could be caught, you wouldn't do it. Just knowing they can give you a ticket.

It's the same with mods. People know they are "illegal", so they hide them. Don't need to hide something if it's okay.

Isn't that the nature of selectively enforced rules? It less about the chance and more so the probability. It is a risk assessment, the cost has to outweigh the gain on a majority bases for some to feel the risk is not worth it. Say someone offers you a job that is illegal and has a 25% of you getting caught, but the payout was 1 billion in cash, and even if you are caught roughly only 15% of the cases even lead to a convection, and even if you are convicted at most you are facing 2 years in a prison on average and at worse you are looking at 15 years and at best you are looking house arrest and probation. This was a question our business ethics professor liked to ask, using it as a means to show why fraud is so massive in finance cost the cost of punishment rarely outweighs the gain for most people.

He would honestly argue most if they really thought about it logically would take the risk in this case. This is largely what happens in most video games when it comes to cheating more often then not the punishment does out weigh the benefit. As my professor said it is about working smarter not harder, give up at worse 15 years to make one billion in cash or be honest and grind out day in and day out and be lucky if you make enough to retire at with a couple of million when you are way past your prime.

Point he was trying to make hate the game not the player. Often times the benefits for cheating, breaking the law, when done right often provide a net positive that largely enhance the experience or life of the person that did the wrong doing in the long run. As he said does it make it right? No, but most certainly we would all be fools to pretend we do not understand the logic behind it, and in the case of the my professors example many of us probably wish we had to the balls to go that far.

Cheating is an issue cause it is a hard issue to enforce, it has to be selective by nature of how it is detected. SE created this monster, and they know deep down they know they have no good answer. So they will still use the same talking points but largely ignore it. We can get salty but for the most part the average player that cheats and streams most likely will not even get a warning.

[CrimsonThunder]

Isn't that the nature of selectively enforced rules? It less about the chance and more so the probability. It is a risk assessment, the cost has to outweigh the gain on a majority bases for some to feel the risk is not worth it. Say someone offers you a job that is illegal and has a 25% of you getting caught, but the payout was 1 billion in cash, and even if you are caught roughly only 15% of the cases even lead to a convection, and even if you are convicted at most you are facing 2 years in a prison on average and at worse you are looking at 15 years and at best you are looking house arrest and probation. This was a question our business ethics professor liked to ask, using it as a means to show why fraud is so massive in finance cost the cost of punishment rarely outweighs the gain for most people.

He would honestly argue most if they really thought about it logically would take the risk in this case. This is largely what happens in most video games when it comes to cheating more often then not the punishment does out weigh the benefit. As my professor said it is about working smarter not harder, give up at worse 15 years to make one billion in cash or be honest and grind out day in and day out and be lucky if you make enough to retire at with a couple of million when you are way past your prime.

Point he was trying to make hate the game not the player. Often times the benefits for cheating, breaking the law, when done right often provide a net positive that largely enhance the experience or life of the person that did the wrong doing in the long run. As he said does it make it right? No, but most certainly we would all be fools to pretend we do not understand the logic behind it, and in the case of the my professors example many of us probably wish we had to the balls to go that far.

Cheating is an issue cause it is a hard issue to enforce, it has to be selective by nature of how it is detected. SE created this monster, and they know deep down they know they have no good answer. So they will still use the same talking points but largely ignore it. We can get salty but for the most part the average player that cheats and streams most likely will not even get a warning.

You're not wrong that in the end we live in a dog eat world but choosing to be honest is a personal principle that has meaning to those who do it, no matter what form it takes. That's not naive, it's just trying to be better than the system we live in.

[Kolaina]

lmao oh give me a break, there is no need to remove content because people use a zoom hack or use mods to look better on their screen

stop with the excuses

You’re the one who said about removing content. I said remove the player. So you give me a break. Gaslighting. You are barely keeping track of your own arguments