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    ForsakenRoe's Avatar
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    Samantha Redgrayve
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    Zodiark
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    Sage Lv 100
    just an update, a group called NO DRAGOON posted a run after I had already looked at a different group. This new run has 3 indoms, 3 excogs, 1 lustrate, 15 soils and FIFTY THREE energy drains. a massive increase over the other log, now we're at like 80% of the aetherflows in the fight going into ED

    Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
    Oh, that's possible...except Recitation can't be used on Sacred Soil. Or Lustrate. We could look at how many Recitations were used and look at if Deployment Tactics was used with them to see how many of those likely went to Adlos, and subtract the rest from the Indom stack, but we still run into the issue of Sacred Soil not using that.

    Again, note what my argument is and is not.

    My argument is not that no one is using Energy Drain, that every AF spender goes to ED, etc.

    My argument is that SCH would not be broken or unplayable without ED.
    Then it's a good thing I didn't bring up Sacred Soil, isn't it. I specifically said Indom, because that would be my first assumption for where the Recitations are being spent, with Adlo a second, due to Deployment. IDK why you bring Soil into it when its clearly not part of the point. I went and rechecked though, just for you. Luckily there's a 'timeline' function on the site that makes it easy to check this stuff. All 8 Recitations, in the log I originally mentioned, were spent on Adloquium. So it hasn't changed the fact that half of the Aetherflow in the fight went to ED.

    We know how 'broken and unplayable' or not SCH would be without ED. We've seen it and played it. The devs gave ED back in a clumsy hotfix. If SCH was not 'broken and unplayable', even without ED's presence in the kit, surely the devs would have either left us without ED returned, or replaced ED with something else? The fact they backpedalled on it without any hint of an alternative beyond 'guess you can just overcap then', shows how necessary to the kit ED is. If they moved the MP restore off of Aetherflow's cast, and put it on the spenders (so, exactly like SGE) and removed ED, it'd be 'functional', sure, but it'd also not play well. People already complain that it feels jank to purposely overheal as SGE just to keep your MP in check. I complain it feels jank to purposely overheal on WHM to prep a Misery for burst windows. It'd feel jank on SCH too. It did in 5.0, it will do in whatever patch this 'remove ED' happens, unless there's something to take it's place, I think.

    Personally, I'm more fine with SGE than SCH, I don't feel the pain of 'overcapped on galls oops' because I'd rather have them than not when it comes to the once-in-a-fight point where I actually needed them. It feels bad on SCH because you get all 3 flows at once, so you have to make sure you're empty before you press the Aetherflow button. Maybe if there was a more granular generation, in the way that WHM and SGE have theirs generate once every 20s, it'd feel a little less bad. Heck, that way maybe we could get back 'Quickened Aetherflow', but reworked slightly, so it's more like 'you generate a flow every 30s. When you use a flow, instead of it shaving 5s off the timer, it instead doubles the generation rate for 10s'. This way, it actually feels like the 'flow' is being 'quickened', shown by the gauge filling up at a more rapid speed. We know SE can make timers tick faster or slower because they've done it in the new 24man.

    Again, if there was a 'new skill to throw Flow on' I'd take OGCD shielding. It would buy us extra damage in the form of 'you dont have to press succor for this raidwide now'. But if there needs to be a DPS component to it, a 'best of both worlds' solution could just be an OGCD single target shield (so like Benison), that, upon expiration or consumption of the shield, deals X potency damage in an AOE around the shielded player. Now there'd be something to throw about in a big wall-to-wall pull, alternate that new OGCD on the tank, and AOW to deal damage, and we're getting somewhere.
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    Last edited by ForsakenRoe; 02-12-2023 at 05:31 AM.