Ungendered sit poses, please?

[Bobby66]

It's not dumb though. It's a visible way to see if there is interest in something or not. If there are people turning to mods for whatever reason then there has to be an appeal to whatever it is they're looking for. Whether or not it's an acurate guage on if that something is worth looking into is another story.

And besides, it was those on the pro side that brought up the number of people using mods in the first place.

By dumb I do mean it is not an accurate metric especially when it comes to more cosmetic and stylized choices to gauge if something is popular to the community at large. I do feel that neither side really has a good metric to use to make claims like the community at large wants it or does not want it. I think both sides using these data points as a means to try and make an argument in favor or against is just a mask to try and conceal for the most part the stance for and against largely boils down to an emotion or bias driven response. I hope you understand what I am trying to say, I do not think we have any means to say if something is wanted or not wanted by the community at large and since we do not have such information I do feel using such arguments is disingenuous.

You need to reread the thread - it was the the pro crowd that brought up mods, not the anti.




...huh?

Are you just trying to devalue everything so any metrics are meaningless? Or are you trying to create a level playing field, where even though there's nothing that can back up the pro side, there's also nothing that can back up the anti side?

I'm genuinely curious what your aim is here.




Yes... and the talk about unlocking gender based sit poses is nonexistent.



...no, you absolutely can. How do you think sample sizes work? What % of people do you think need to offer an opinion before you can make an educated guess?



No.



No. Why are you giving a lecture on speculation and whatnot and then making a statement on speculation as if it matters AT ALL? You're the one decided that it has no value, so why are you saying valueless things?



If you mean "turn down", alot, based on what data is available.



They're not.



They're the same thing. They're a business. If there's not any support of the request, they're not going to grant the request.



Non-point - it can be said for anything. At that point, you're just making noise.

Do not think I ever said anti side brought up mods, I did say mods are not a good metric to use as a means to determine if something is highly in demand or not. Way I see it when it comes to requests anyone is free to make a request, if something lacks a feature you would like by all means make a request. If it gets granted or not that is a different story altogether. I largely think when it comes to making claims around a majority or what not I think using non official data which we do not have is a fair to use to make any claim that for either side. That being said, I also do not think the appetence of a request is also a fair metric to say something would not be liked. That is why I also feel such metrics are kind of nebulous to begin with. I also fall in the camp as costumers we should also not make claims on behalf of SE. I do not necessarily feel something has supported by the vocal majority to get added or change something. Something easily could be added because a developer felt passionate about it. So request and demand do not always go hand in hand. At work I added a suggestion that I happened to see in passing by a commenter, it did not have mass likes or retweets but it was something I did on my free time. Not saying this is the norm, but it really does not hurt to simply ask for something you may want cause you never know. To say something has to be liked by the majority or should be needed detracts from the human element behind the company. I am sure many things can be contributed to someone take time our their day to work on something because they saw it in passing, or had their own personal desire to want it added.

Also not sure about us that want this for uniqueness are not in the minatory we seem to face some heavily backlash when it comes to unique glamour items. Maybe it just depends on the request. Speculation is fine to make, but using said speculation as fact is where I have problem. I do no think I ever implied what I said to be fact, just my own take or opinion on the matter. I really also do not see what available data do we have that people would generally turn down having access to the opposite genders poses. Pretty sure female DRK weapon pose was something many have asked for. I just find it hard to believe if SE put out a poll majority would say no to shared animations and allow people to choose if even the option. I just feel it is one of those things as stated before is not "needed" or even thought about all that much so it does not come up very often. Though if posed with a direct question they probably would be all for it. That is also why I feel the data sets we have are kind of meh tbh.

How is the fact that someone has requested something and people are in support of it is not a point? That has been my point the entire time, people are free to make requests of what they want. They do not have to provide an argument or what not for the request to be valid. Will it likely get added without support nope, but the chance is possible. As mentioned I do it often at work, not saying its the same SE is a different beast and in my case it is small mobile game app. I know for example if I worked for SE and on FFXIV, I would work on a glamour hide toggle during my free time, and would present the final product and see if it gets approved or not.

How can we make an proper educated guess when things like this are already niche suggestions and are properly not even in the top 100 of things of what people would want to change? Though we cannot also say with a blanket statement that they lack of requests made inherently means people would not like or use the option if added. What I am trying to say is the lack of request does not inherently mean the request would not be liked by the majority. This could just be one of those things that people would be pleasantly surprised if it happened. We cannot say either way.

Either way request is a request