Ungendered sit poses, please?

[DRHaymaker]

I mean, why can't I have it though?

Because you're not entitled to a single thing.

can just admit you don't want people to suggest having things because you seem to be spiteful about people asking for certain things.

Suggesting things because they'd improve the game overall is one thing. Suggesting things because you believe gender-locked things shouldn't exist in any form is another. Again, the slippery slope exists.

Also, I was also going by what they were arguing.

They weren't using views/downloads as a reason to include something, implying there's an audience. You did. There isn't.

it doesn't matter in general.

No no, you brought it up, so to you, it does matter. You don't get to discard it once you realize it's a bad argument.

Do you cry about the gendered items becoming unisex as well?

Framing it as "crying" doesn't make your argument any better, but my thought is along the same lines as casual wear in battle, just to a much greater degree - it looks stupid.

It's (QoL is) also not objectively wrong [...] That is a customization feature my dude.

These topics and definitions aren't up for debate. I know you're probably used to watering words down to fit a narrative, to get your way, but no one who isn't absolutely married to your incredibly niche desires agrees with you.

Adventure Plates are also QOL

No, it's a feature. You could not do something like Adventure Plates before Adventure plates were added.

Something that we don't need, yet it's here anyways.

That's not what QoL means either.

It's not my fault you have these hard-lined definitions of what things should and shouldn't be and it HAS to be this way for you or it doesn't work.

Sorry, definitions aren't as fluid as gender. They have strict meanings so that we can understand what other people say... that's how we have languages. If you decide it means or includes something else entirely, that's entirely for your sake - no one else is beholden to your nebulous, amorphous, and unwritten dictionary of words.

[DRHaymaker]

Idk, like you and the other person amounted to earlier: suck it up

"Acceptance! At long last!"

It's not about making things better, it's about you, and no one else.

What if people don't want 2B dresses?

When there's a feature that'll automatically swap what you wear while you're idol, including things not on your plates, then you can start making comparisons... not that I expect you to be able to accurately compare things since you're 0/2 already.

Even then, again, it's literally sitting. If it's not a big deal, and it's no-skin-off-the-bones

Again, you're making up something no one said.

So are those idles I keep mentioning really gonna break your immersion or make you unsub lmao?

Same arguments over and over - it's all about "feelings", and if it's not a strong feeling that causes someone to unsub, then it's not worth considering? Not that you'd respect it regardless - you're ironically ask for a logical argument to back it up, and not be happy with the same "Cause I feel this way" that you are for your arguments.

There's Miqo'te female NPCs squatting in Limsa tho.

Yes, and what are they wearing? Is it the 2B outfit? Or is it something a pirate would wear? Additionally, do you think they had to change anything about the equipment or model so make sure it didn't clip? Also, really letting the mask slip arguing for 2B-wearing Lalafell should be allowed to spread legs via squatting or sitting on the ground with legs akimbo.

Right here:

Show me where I say "I don't care how people sit".

[Clover_Blake]

also don't see why it would be hard to tweak the issue at all or even why it *would* be an issue at all. It's literally just sit positions.

Since it's just sitting positions and our characters' poses are not an issue, then it's also not an issue to never get them.

[DRHaymaker]

Since it's just sitting positions and our characters' poses are not an issue, then it's also not an issue to never get them.

Using their own logic against them never works. It's only useful for people that stand on their own principles.

[Joven]

ninja edit soz:

The number of users who use forbidden stuff is small yet SE seems determined to phase out the use of mods as much as they can. I wonder why. If it's a no bother number amount of people using mods

Except they aren't targeting those particular mods, only mods in general because of the potential image issues they can cause due to the overtly sexual nature of most of them and that they can give some players an advantage over others. To say they're targeting mods to specifically to stop this from happening is disengenous.

or even add in raiding features? They're only catering to the small % of people who utilize these features, yet they make it available to everyone, including console players.

You tell me why a game focused on raiding dungeons would add more dungeons to raid.

Rambling Gobbledegook

Seeing as you cut out what it is I said I have no idea how to respond to this as I have no frame of reference as to what it is in response to. That being said, a company will alway try to err on the side of what it thinks the majority is in order to maximize profits. It doesn't matter if the minority is "right" and the majority is "wrong" though to frame it in that dynamic is misleading and dishonest because them adding this feature is not "right" and them not adding it is not "wrong" and vice versa. You're also under the false pretense that I am completely against this. This is not true. While I am against the idea of giving every race/gender every other race/gender's emotes and would prefer each to have their own, different emotes, I am largely indifferent to the idea. That doesn't mean I can't point out why others may be wholey against it.

What, it's true tho. It's not mandatory.

And neither is your imagined gendered stereotypes.

What do wants and expectations have to do with anything? You cannot know anything about what the editor does not show you, which is a lot. Again, the point you're trying to make falls flat.

Because what you want and what you expect are two different things

Being visible doesn't make it useful. If you can find an accurate metric that represents the portion of the community that is interested in unlocked poses, then you might be able to say that it's a niche desire. You can't make up statistics just because you don't have data.

*Looks at forum view count compared to like/reply ratio*, *looks at view/download number for certain content on certain site*, *apparently somehow doesn't have any data and is making things up*. It's still a visible indicator that there is or is not interest in something and isn't just "he said, she said".

[Bobby66]

It's very clear from the length that people do care. Even then, wanting something doesn't mean you have a more justifiable reason to have it. Like I said, it's a slippery slope, and ungendered clothing was the predecessor to this, and before that, as was brought up, it was "but people can wear casual clothes while fighting big giant monsters!"

Again, be thankful for what you DO have.

Let's be fair slippery slope, is always a reach argument. Nothing ever states if you give into one concession you have to give into all of them. Also, it is a request only justifiable reason one needs to make a request is to want it added. From what I can tell the reason for other side not wanting this is at the core when broken down is "I do not like it, and I do not think we need it" is an okay stance but, "I do like it, and I think we need it" is not? No one has a "need" for anything in regards to a video game. Like I have no dog in this race, I play on PC.

[DRHaymaker]

Let's be fair slippery slope, is always a reach argument.

No.

Nothing ever states if you give into one concession you have to give into all of them.

But that's ultimately what happens. If you said yes to X, well there's less reason to say no to Y, and you might as well accept Z if you're going to say yes to those. That's literally what slippery slope is, and we've seen it.

Also, it is a request only justifiable reason one needs to make a request is to want it added.

The absolute unabashed EGO of you people. This is dripping in narcissism, "The only thing I need to say is I want it, and it's justified enough to make a 'request' - I don't need any other argument ".

From what I can tell the reason for other side not wanting this is at the core when broken down is "I do not like it, and I do not think we need it" is an okay stance but, "I do like it, and I think we need it" is not?

You literally said "I just need to want it for it to be a justifiable reason to request it". I don't need to break anything down to get that from you, or misinterpret something - you literally said that.

You, however, need to look through your lens, and distort people wanting something unique to their gender, not wanting to be forced to use them when cycling through animations, not something that's really desired by the community at large, the rating of the game, as just "I don't want it, we don't need it.", and think it's anywhere close to the same thing.

I N S U F F E R A B L E

[Bobby66]

No.



But that's ultimately what happens. If you said yes to X, well there's less reason to say no to Y, and you might as well accept Z if you're going to say yes to those. That's literally what slippery slope is, and we've seen it.



The absolute unabashed EGO of you people. This is dripping in narcissism, "The only thing I need to say is I want it, and it's justified enough to make a 'request' - I don't need any other argument ".



You literally said "I just need to want it for it to be a justifiable reason to request it". I don't need to break anything down to get that from you, or misinterpret something - you literally said that.

You, however, need to look through your lens, and distort people wanting something unique to their gender, not wanting to be forced to use them when cycling through animations, not something that's really desired by the community at large, the rating of the game, as just "I don't want it, we don't need it.", and think it's anywhere close to the same thing.

I N S U F F E R A B L E

First of all I said "it is a request only justifiable reason one needs to make a request is to want it added" this is a forum legitimately that is often the baseline requirement to making a request. You want something the game does not have you make a request for it. That is not narcissism, you do not need to make a case to make a request for something to be added, is it nice? Yeah, but is required no, it is not. Also, slippery slope is a copout. Someone can say you did X, so you should do Y. Just because you did X does not mean you have to do Y, you have the choice if you want to do Y or not. Just because you seem weak willed people cave does not mean it has to be that. Let us be fair their is often an underline reason why they cave, and it often has very little with the fact because they did X at the core. That is a topic for another day. Now if you are saying it is important to remain logically constant, sure but yeah most aren't logically constant in the real world. Very view people have a hardline stance that does not waiver. So slippery slope really only matters to people that want to remain logically constant or not be seen a hypocrite. For the most part people do not care about that stuff so yeah, you can refuse to do something even though you have done it in the past.

Let us be fair both sides both down to as I said I do not like it, and I do not think we need it verses I do like it, and I think we need it. The whole thing about having to cycle through cpose is a stretch you know it, and no adding all cpose would not go against the rating of the game. Shit guy sitting with his legs crossed, rip rating, oh a panty shot which you can already get rip rating. Please be honest people just do not want it added because they do not like it. That is fair, you do not need to come up with excuses as to why you don't want it.

AS I said no dog in this race PC master race. In the end this could go either way and the game would still be fine, I am willing to put large amounts of money more people would be in favor of more options across the board. I have no way to prove that, just as you have no way to prove the community at large does not want it. At the core your arguments as follow a desire to not want to do something, a notion you cannot prove, and it would impact the rating? I am not sure how sitting would do that but fair. Sorry man no matter you cut it it seems like I do not want x. Seems to be in line with the other side but instead they want x. At the core arguments being made are simply out of desire.

[Padudu]

Since it's just sitting positions and our characters' poses are not an issue, then it's also not an issue to never get them.

And since it's just sitting positions and our character poses are not an issue, then it's also not an issue that we do get them.

Ur point?

[SassyAssassin]

Me reading this thread:
Trying to remember how I normally sit...can’t remember....thinking intensifies......wait........also can’t seem to remember......how do we breathe?????? Oh no /ded.